Stanzi vs. Arnaud

[FDWxMan]

AA has only 1 more INT than Stanzi? Not doubting you, but I find that very surprising (not that I watch Iowa alot)

Probably needs more context.

Stanzi
2007: 4 attempts, 1 INT
2008: 254 attempts, 9 INT
2009: 304 attempts, 15 INT
2010: 23 attempts, 0 INT
TOT: 585 attempts, 25 INT

AA
2007: 37 attempts, 1 INT
2008: 401 attempts, 10 INT
2009: 303 attempts, 13 INT
2010: 36 attempts, 2 INT
TOT: 777 attempts, 26 INT

 

[cycloneG]

Probably needs more context.

Stanzi
2007: 4 attempts, 1 INT
2008: 254 attempts, 9 INT
2009: 304 attempts, 15 INT
2010: 23 attempts, 0 INT
TOT: 585 attempts, 25 INT

AA
2007: 37 attempts, 1 INT
2008: 401 attempts, 10 INT
2009: 303 attempts, 13 INT
2010: 36 attempts, 2 INT
TOT: 777 attempts, 26 INT

Attempts per INT:

Stanzi: 23.4

Arnaud: 29.9

 

[dualthreat]

Taking their records into account is ********. Do you think Stanzi is 20-4 with ISU's (or most other teams') defense? Hell no. Wins and losses are a product of team play. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Dan Marino never did. Stanzi plays very well with the game on the line, but if you're going to compare them as individual players, Stanzi shouldn't get credit for playing on a better team.

Thing is, neither team would be better if you switched QBs. In fact, both teams would probably be worse with the other guy in charge. Both guys make big plays when they have to, but are prone to lapses in judgment. Despite having wildly different styles, they have an awful lot in common. Both have big arms, but throw a lot of picks. Stanzi is a little more accurate, and Arnaud is a better runner.

I gotta agree with this. You can throw almost every stat out the window. Watch the two of them play, and then form an opinion. They are both pretty good, neither stands ahead of the other. They aren't real flashy, and make quite a few mistakes; but both are well respected by their teammates and coaches. They are both heavily relied on- and each team/coaches/fanbase thinks that their player is best.

QBs aren't solely responsible for every win or every loss. Interceptions aren't always their fault. Stanzi isn't asked to run the ball. Both QBs have led game winning drives. We can all go on and on about who's better, but nothing has been proven thus far.

 

[Clones85']

So Arnaud has almost 200 more attempts but has thrown only 1 more INT. Interesting.

Completion percentage shouldn't count as we have a different offense. Arnaud completes a lot of dink passes to help inflate his #'s

 

[bos]

I find it very hard to bag on Stanzi. Tate was another story.

Arnaud and Stanzi are both very good reps for the state teams and honorable leaders for their crews. Their stats actually entertain me with how close they are.

 

[edr247]

Arnaud has lead a handful of last minute touchdown drives that either did, or should have tied the game, sending it to OT. At UNLV as a freshman, he lead the team 97 yards for a TD with 1:03 left, and against KSU last year we went 80 yards with about 1:30, to get the tying TD. Against KSU, as you probably know, the PAT was blocked, and against UNLV the offense got the ball first and hit a field goal, and the defense let up a TD on the first play.

We didn't win those games, but it had nothing to do with QB play in the clutch, which is what gave us a chance to win in the first place.

The 4th quarter brilliance isn't just leading game winning drives.

Arnaud, in the 4th quarter last year, 28 of 55 (50.9%) for ~400 yards. He threw 2 picks and scored 5 TDs, for a QB rating of 134.27. That is in 9 games.
cfbstats.com - Austen Arnaud 2009 Player Statistics - Iowa State Cyclones

Stanzi, was 36 of 57 (63.2%) for 610 yards. He threw 1 pick and scored 6 TDs, for a QB rating of 184.29. That is also in 9 games.
cfbstats.com - Ricky Stanzi 2009 Player Statistics - Iowa Hawkeyes

Though, to be fair, Stanzi's 1 pick was especially bad as it was the Arkansas State pick 6.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

I would bet on Arnaud. 2 hits... Austen punching Stanzi...Stanzi hitting the pavement.

 

[Cyrocks]

Arnaud has lead a handful of last minute touchdown drives that either did, or should have tied the game, sending it to OT. At UNLV as a freshman, he lead the team 97 yards for a TD with 1:03 left, and against KSU last year we went 80 yards with about 1:30, to get the tying TD. Against KSU, as you probably know, the PAT was blocked, and against UNLV the offense got the ball first and hit a field goal, and the defense let up a TD on the first play.

We didn't win those games, but it had nothing to do with QB play in the clutch, which is what gave us a chance to win in the first place.

Spot on.

I could be mistaken, but I think you also missed one game -- the Colorado game out in Boulder in 2008 when ISU -- going in for the game winning TD -- lost on the last play of the game when Robinson was tackled at the one-foot line. Defense gave up a lot of big plays when ISU was up like 24-14 with about 10 minutes left in the game. Defense makes one stand -- ONE STAND -- and ISU wins that game.

Geesh, looking back at that season, ISU lost four games by a touchdown or less.

Oh, and I would take Arnaud if you could eliminate some of his poor choices.

But since you can't, I have to go with Stanzi for consistency.

 

[CycloneWarning]

Who is better?

Meh.

Same as the old Seneca vs Banks debate. One of them was a great dual threat QB, the other managed the Iowa system very well. Banks was the Heisman finalist, but Seneca is still in the NFL.

Just can't compare the two. I will say on behalf of our guy that I don't think Stanzi would do much as QB of our team, while I think AA would see success running Iowa's team. They simply have a better defense and usually a better OL to help balance out the need for the QB to make plays.

I truly feel bad that AA laid such an egg against Iowa. Even if they win this year, I hope AA gives them something to think about.

Stanzi is a significantly better pro prospect and I doubt he will be as much a bust as Banks/Tate.

 

[RedBlooded]

Stanzi does not have the arm strength nor the stats to go to the NFL. Arnuad just needs to keep perfecting his throwing motion and his decision making and he might have a chance at the next level.

 

[Al_4_State]

Again, who you're taking really depends on the system. Arnaud gives us a better chance to win then Stanzi would. If Stanzi is our QB last year, the run game becomes one dimensional, and he still has the same receivers being rarely open.

If Arnaud is Iowa's QB last year, who knows if he doesn't have a total meltdown, like his game against Iowa, where he hands the opposition the game on a silver platter. I don't think the Hawks become a better team with the addition of Arnaud.

 

[nj829]

If Stanzi is better because of record, than Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino. Trent has a super bowl ring, Marino doesn't...which one do you want on your team?

 

[Cyclone1985]

Neither will go to the NFL. But, I do love what AA brings to the table; scrambling yardage. On any and every play, the opposing defense has to account for AA rumbling for 4 or 5 yards.

 

[ahaselhu]

The 4th quarter brilliance isn't just leading game winning drives.

Arnaud, in the 4th quarter last year, 28 of 55 (50.9%) for ~400 yards. He threw 2 picks and scored 5 TDs, for a QB rating of 134.27. That is in 9 games.
cfbstats.com - Austen Arnaud 2009 Player Statistics - Iowa State Cyclones

Stanzi, was 36 of 57 (63.2%) for 610 yards. He threw 1 pick and scored 6 TDs, for a QB rating of 184.29. That is also in 9 games.
cfbstats.com - Ricky Stanzi 2009 Player Statistics - Iowa Hawkeyes

Though, to be fair, Stanzi's 1 pick was especially bad as it was the Arkansas State pick 6.

I sometimes wonder if Stanzi takes more chances (and hence gives up more interceptions) throughout the game because he's comfortable that his defense will hold if he throws an interception. In the fourth quarter, he's more careful because he can't afford to make a mistake, and his stats improve.

Arnaud hasn't been horrible in the fourth quarter, but Stanzi was really good. Being that is where close games are typically won or lost, I'd have to give the edge to Stanzi, but it isn't as big a gap as Hawkeye fans tend to think.

Also, I agree that the QBs are suited for their respective systems, and wouldn't do very well if they switched teams.

 

[HerkyKiller]

Neither will go to the NFL. But, I do love what AA brings to the table; scrambling yardage. On any and every play, the opposing defense has to account for AA rumbling for 4 or 5 yards.

This is what we should do, just make AA run a bunch. Then when the hawks think he's going to do it throw one down the feild. :biglaugh: I know it wouldnt work but it would be funny.

 

[ahaselhu]

Stanzi does not have the arm strength nor the stats to go to the NFL. Arnuad just needs to keep perfecting his throwing motion and his decision making and he might have a chance at the next level.

As much as I'd love to agree, I can't. Arnaud is a decent college QB, but I can't see his play translating to the NFL. Stanzi is much more of an NFL type QB, if he can reduce his turnovers.

 

[clonecard]

AA is a far more potent weapon than Stanzi. Give him one coach, one system for 4 yrs and he would be a far more polished qb, not making nearly the interceptions he seems prone to do.

 

[heitclone]

I think as many have already said that both are suited pretty well to play in the systems they are in and are each capable of doing things the other is not. Stanzi has had an edge from a coaching standpoint, purely based on consistency. Iowa's offense hasn't changed in a decade which gives an edge to both the players and coaches being familiar with the system. That coaching staff has had years to fine tune things to support Ricky's strengths, while AA has had coaches that had to evaluate him on the fly as he was learning the offense. Even so AA has put up pretty solid numbers, and will have much better numbers than the most overhyped QB in ISU history (#15) by the time he's done. Another major difference is that I don't think the coaches put the ball in Stanzi's hands and say "go win us this game". AA is a much more focal point of the offense, especially when he's spent so much time playing from behind. Different systems and program sucess have written each of these guys legacy, while neither is completely responsible for either. Do you think Stanzi would even be playing if his W/L record was the same as AA? Or would Iowa fans still think so highly of him?

 

[cybsball20]

As much as I'd love to agree, I can't. Arnaud is a decent college QB, but I can't see his play translating to the NFL. Stanzi is much more of an NFL type QB, if he can reduce his turnovers.

Stanzi does NOT have the arm to be an NFL QB. He may be in an NFL system, but just look at all his pick 6's. Almost all of them were a simple little out route that he floats out there, allowing the DB to jump it...

 

[Krug]

This is what we should do, just make AA run a bunch. Then when the hawks think he's going to do it throw one down the feild. :biglaugh: I know it wouldnt work but it would be funny.

Hey worked for GT in the orange bowl didnt it?