Stanzi vs. Arnaud
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AA looks to be much improved in his delivery. Now if he could just loose his radar eyes.
I still remember Stanzi running backwards in his first ISU game. If we had a breakthrough defensive end, we would be doing much better playing a Stanzi. If we give him too much time to throw, we will have a long day.
Actually throwing more softballs will play right in to our hands. We cannot rush the passer or stop the run very well, but our back seven are very good at stepping in and intercepting the ball.
Yeah, Just Throw It. We will be waiting. Sims, Leonard, Sandvig, Knott have good hands.
Good info and links edr. One thing to remember is the fact that Arnaud has been in three systems while stanzi has been in one. This isn't an excuse but I think it is relevant. It is easier to be confident and efficient when you know and trust the system. Especially when the pressure is on. Looking closer...in 2007(year one) Arnaud had a 40% compl %, 2008(year two of McFarland) it jumped to 60%. 2009 back down to 50% (year one), this year up to 71% with a very limited sample size. In 2008, Arnaud actually had a better passer rating than stanzi in the 4th at 138 -136. Those are almost identical numbers.
The other thing I noticed was that last year, Arnaud is good in the first and third quarters but his completion % drops in the 2nd and 4th. Is this due to pressure or does he tire as the half goes on because he is asked to do so much with the run game?
The one thing I was most impressed with against NIU was Arnauds TD drive in the 4th. He threw the pick and then followed with a poor series to end the third. That led to NIU scoring their TD to make it a 7 point game. Right after NIU scored, Arnaud put together a 10 play 73 yard TD drive in which he went 5-6. He put a long methodical drive together when the team needed it most after he had screwed up.
You mean like stanzi did against Indiana. He had a 50% compl rate and threw 5 picks. difference there is iowa's defense bailed him out.
IMO- Arnaud would do fine in iowa's system. He has the arm strength and the pocket awareness. he throws the out much better than stanzi. His comp% is the same as stanzi's as well and might even go up if he wasn't tking the pounding running the ball.
The D certainly helped but a large part of it was Rick's doing. He is unflappable and flushes a bad play immediately. Stat wise, he is the best QB in the Big 10 in the forth quarter. That is when he is at his best. If he can eliminate all the picks, hs stock will go up a great deal.
Although I would look forward to it, I won't expect your presence around this site to face the music in the event that Stanzi and the Hoks **** this game down their legs...
This is what we call confounded. You can't compare the two QBs as they are in different systems, different coaches, different defenses, and different conferences. You can't compare based on stats. Like everyone has said the offenses are completely different. If Iowa wanted Stanzi to run they'd be dumb to have him there, and if ISU wanted AA to stand in the pocket all day they'd be dumb.
Just look at Michigan, 2 years ago when Threet was their QB, he was definately a stand in the pocket guy, and now with Robinson they look much better.
If you're an ISU fan you should say Arnaud, if you're an Iowa guy you should say Stanzi, just based on the pure facts of the system and if you had zero rooting interest for either team you would say this.
NFL teams would be more interested in Stanzi, but hey, that's the system.
Just look at Michigan, 2 years ago when Threet was their QB, he was definately a stand in the pocket guy, and now with Robinson they look much better.
If you're an ISU fan you should say Arnaud, if you're an Iowa guy you should say Stanzi, just based on the pure facts of the system and if you had zero rooting interest for either team you would say this.
NFL teams would be more interested in Stanzi, but hey, that's the system.
Sure, cause he did great in the pocket against Iowa last year. It's not his comfort zone.
Er, it was actually Indiana's defense that bailed him out. Seriously. Did you watch the game? I'm guessing no, but here's what happened...
At the end of the 3rd quarter, Stanzi threw his 5th pick. Indiana took over at the Iowa 40, and promptly committed two penalties. And while they were able to make up some ground, ended up punting. Indiana is still up 24-14
Iowa took over at the 8, and Stanzi ended up with a 92 yard play-action pass to McNutt for a TD. Indiana is now up 24-21
Indiana takes over at their 32, does nothing with the ball, and punts it back to Iowa. Iowa takes over at their 34. Stanzi tosses it up to DJK. TD. Iowa is now up 28-24.
Indiana gets the ball at their 20 yard line, but on 3rd and long, Chappell throws it downfield and gets picked off by Prater. Iowa starts at their own 45. After a 20 yard pass to Moeaki, Wegher has a bunch of short runs, and scores a TD. 35-24 Iowa.
Indiana gets the ball at their 20, but after two straight penalties, ends up with 1st and 25 from their 5 yard line. They make up 19 yards, but punt it away on 4th and 6. Iowa starts on their own 34, and proceed to run out the clock, till Wegher busts off a ~30 yard run for a TD. Score is now 42-24.
Really, the 4th quarter was less Iowa defense keeping Stanzi and the offense in the game, but Indiana's incompetence and two big pass plays by Iowa. I do not deny, for a moment, that plays like Sash's 'interception' return for a TD, or Indiana getting a TD called off thanks to replay didn't have some role in changing momentum.
Again, let me be clear... Stanzi is often bailed out by his defense... but the Indiana game was as much about Indiana absolutely sucking in the 4th quarter, as it was about Iowa's offense or defense.
Are there good QBs in the Big 10? :wink:
More seriously. If a guy plays bad for three quarters, how does that meaa he flushes a bad play immediately? Looks to me like he hangs on to it for a couple of quarters. I know stanzi doe swell in the fourth but that shouldn't nor does it erase three quarters of average to poor play. He wouldn't have to lead game winnig drives inthe fourth, if he was doing it in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters.
IMO- It is a wash on the QB's. Both have led 4th quarter game winning/tieing drives. Both have compl% issues and both have INT issues. Both looked much better in their first game.
You don't have a "back 7" when you're stacking the box to stop the run. Our DBs are going to be on an island and are going to have to play the game of their lives.
How did he do in the pocket in 2008? You know when he was in a system for more than a game? I guess I look at his pocket presence throughout his career. I tend to look at 2008 a little harder because it is the only time he actually knew and understood an offense completely.
On another note, stanzi did as well in the pocket as Arnaud. Both had bad games that killed their stat line. Arnaud against iowa and stanzi against Indiana. Difference is Arnaud did it against a top 10 defense in the second game of a new offense. stanzi did it against a horrible defense in the 22nd start of his career in the same offense. Does that mean stanzi is horrible in the pocket as well? I doubt I will hear you say stanzi is not comfortable in the pocket.
I know you probably only watched ISU one time last year but you can't judge a person's career off one game. Most people are claiming that Arnaud only throws short stuff....Well Arnaud has a 11.4 yard per completion and stanzi has a 13.6. Arnaud has receivers that don't get yards after the catch and stanzi has guys that score a 92 yard TD off a slant. Arnaud throws the mid to deep balls well. He doesn't throw the mid to deep ball well across the middle.
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I did watch the game. The whole game. One play completely changed the whole tone and momentum of that game. You know exactly the play I am talking about. It happend at the 7:35 mark of the 3rd quarter. After another stanzi pick deep on his own side of the field(should have been a pick six), Indiana had the ball at the 2. Instead of going up 24 -7 or even 28-7, iowa's defense makes a play, and scores a defensive TD (the infamous richochet play). That play completely changed the momentum of that game. Indiana folded like a tent after that play. It reminded me of a lot of ISU teams.
Following that play, stanzi continued to try and help indiana by throwing two picks but iowa's defense held indiana to 7 yards and 3 points off those next two possessions. That is 9 yards total on three possessions and all three possesions were the result of INTs. All three times times, indiana had great field position and the iowa defense snuffed them. If Indiana scores off any one of those three INTs it is a different game. Completely different game.
iowa's defense played pretty good all day considering Indiana had the ball given to them in iowa territory (or near midfield) almost every series. From an 8 yard punt, fumbled punt return, and INTs, everyone tried to help indiana win except the iowa defense. Every TD indiana scored was on a short field except the first one.
Although I agree, Indiana's defense sucked it up inthe 4th. They quit.
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I was thinking about NFL starters the other day. With all the big time qbs coming out of the Big 12, I sure struggled to find a single star qb from that league. Vince Young, Sam Bradford, and Josh Freeman are the list of starters. The Big 10 has superstars Brady and Brees along with decent qbs Henne and Orton. There is certainly a younger slant to the Big 12 guys, but I expected to find more Big 12 starters than Big 10.
And on the original topic, I think Stanzi was much better than Arnaud last year, but this year I think Arnaud will probably have the better season.
Ah, the old offense plays both sides of the ball argument...You do know our defense was horrible, horrible, horrible in 2008 and yet 4 of those losses were by eight points or less.
For your reference, our defense was 112th in total defense and 110th in scoring defense. Our win total in 2008 was not a reflection of our offense or Arnaud. It was a reflection of our defense.
I see you didn't answer my question. Is stanzi horrible in the pocket because he threw 5 picks against a horrible defense in his 22nd start?
It is in constant evolution, although right now, I can't think of one QB in the big 10 that I consider one of the nations best. Keep in mind most of the QB talent that has com eout of the Big 12 has been the last couple of years. They are hardly going to make a splash in their first couple of seasons. Even Manning sucked when he first got to the NFL.
Kafka is on a NFL team isn't he?
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