Future of the Offense

[cygrads]

So seeing JT play he certainly doesn't seem to be the future - I hope we have a RS Freshman coming in that is the guy. The oline seems to have major problems as well.

So if the offense doesn't produce any better next year what do you do with Herman? Keep him another year or look to replace him? I myself would give him a 4th year but if the 3rd year didn't produce the 4th year could get tough for CPR because another bowless year and if year 4 doesn't get the offense running odds are no bowl in year 4 and recruiting gets even tougher.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

If Tiller starts next year, I honestly don't think our offense can make progress. We need a passer who is a moderate runner, not a runner who is a moderate passer.

 

[cyclonedave25]

Give Herman time to get his players in his system.
Tiller is not the answer to this offense. Our QB needs to be able to pass first, run second.

 

[Rogue52]

We don't even have a full second season to judge his performance by. You are getting ahead of yourself.

 

[cyatheart]

Give Herman time to get his players in his system.
Tiller is not the answer to this offense. Our QB needs to be able to pass first, run second.

My hope is Herman will be a better OC in two years and he will have better players in 2 or 3 years. One thing I do not want to do is switch systems again, we need to pick something and stick with it. Constantly switching just keeps putting us more in a hole.

 

[cyclonedave25]

My hope is Herman will be a better OC in two years and he will have better players in 2 or 3 years. One thing I do not want to do is switch systems again, we need to pick something and stick with it. Constantly switching just keeps putting us more in a hole.

Exactly. We need continuity on our team. Switching coaching staffs every 2 years is crazy. Once Herman gets the players he wants in his system, I really believe the offense will click. Starting with a QB who is an accurate passer and an OL that can block.

 

[cygrads]

We don't even have a full second season to judge his performance by. You are getting ahead of yourself.

The question is a "what if". I think after 4 years and the offense is not working then CPR may have to make a move. Dan would never fire an assistant coach and I'm hoping CPR won't have that problem.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

Give him some time. Just like Coach Rhoads, Herman is still learning his craft. It's a big difference between being the OC at a non-AQ conference team in the Texas heat than it is in a BCS conference in a cold weather state. I don't think we're going to see the exact same offense in the Big XII in the October and November Iowa cold as he had at Rice, and I think this season he's starting to realize it. I'm not saying there will be drastic changes, but I think you're going to start to see tweeks in the Herman system this offseason. It will also benefit having a quarterback that is a good fit for they system.

 

[twojman]

If Tiller is the starter for ISU next season I am going on record saying that ISU will not be in bowl contention.

 

[CycloneErik]

Can't really know until we try it with Herman's players.

It's hard to be real confident with it right now, but it seems obvious that our players right now don't fit what the OC would want to run.

That brings up the obvious question: Why not adapt to who we have while you recruit for what you want to build?

 

[Tre4ISU]

Can't really know until we try it with Herman's players.

It's hard to be real confident with it right now, but it seems obvious that our players right now don't fit what the OC would want to run.

That brings up the obvious question: Why not adapt to who we have while you recruit for what you want to build?

Because eventually you will want to switch it so you have to go through another transition anyway. What system would you say we have the personnel to run anyway? Our line isn't all that good, our RB is a spread type back, and a receiver is a receiver however we have only 1 or 2 that are good receivers.

 

[CycloneErik]

Because eventually you will want to switch it so you have to go through another transition anyway. What system would you say we have the personnel to run anyway? Our line isn't all that good, our RB is a spread type back, and a receiver is a receiver however we have only 1 or 2 that are good receivers.

I think that's a significant problem that we have. We have a roster that really couldn't execute anything.

I don't spend time examining schemes. I simply would say that it was obvious last year these guys couldn't run plays in this system. It might not have hurt (or it might not have helped) to look at doing something different.

But they have to get something going that looks better than these last two years.

 

[isuno1fan]

THE LAST THING THIS PROGRAM NEEDS IS MORE COACHING CHANGES. WE NEED A GOOD 5-6 YRS OF AS MUCH CONTINUITY AS WE CAN GET TO BEGIN TO GET A FOUNDATION IN THE PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE A SYSTEM, DEPTH, AND CAN COMPETE FOR BOWLS EVERY YEAR.

YES I AM YELLING!

 

[CF_Cyclone]

I don't think our biggest problem is with the offense, or even QB play for that matter, it is our blocking all around. Our OL is having big issues this year, and our receivers are very poor blockers. Watching Missouri yesterday when they run the bubble screen their other receivers are hitting somebody before the ball even gets there, ours are standing around watching the ball. We need an upgrade in the OL and we sure could use some bigger body receivers, that is probably harder to do until we have a better program.

 

[ajk4st8]

Schemes are fine. We just need a lot better players in all positions. We are behind at every position in the Big 12.

 

[Cyclone90]

I agree we shouldn't be changing OCs at this point, but what the heck are we going to do at QB in next few years? This is where our offense is at with a 5th year senior in his 2nd year of the system. Tiller will have time under his belt by next year but it's becoming obvious that he doesn't have the passing skills to be much of an improvement. Hopefully the only thing holding Capello back is experience. Otherwise it's going to be a while before we see any combination of talent and experience.

 

[cygrads]

I don't think our biggest problem is with the offense, or even QB play for that matter, it is our blocking all around. Our OL is having big issues this year, and our receivers are very poor blockers. Watching Missouri yesterday when they run the bubble screen their other receivers are hitting somebody before the ball even gets there, ours are standing around watching the ball. We need an upgrade in the OL and we sure could use some bigger body receivers, that is probably harder to do until we have a better program.

I think our receivers have been called for a penalty multiple times this year for doing just that.

 

[cygrads]

I agree we shouldn't be changing OCs at this point, but what the heck are we going to do at QB in next few years? This is where our offense is at with a 5th year senior in his 2nd year of the system. Tiller will have time under his belt by next year but it's becoming obvious that he doesn't have the passing skills to be much of an improvement. Hopefully the only thing holding Capello back is experience. Otherwise it's going to be a while before we see any combination of talent and experience.

If Capello is a better passer than there is no point in playing JT, he's just another AA - might as well get Capello snaps and see what he can do. However, I'm sure if Capello was better he would be getting playing time.

 

[Land Grant]

Re: stupid looking

A bit off topic, but I think the way our skill players look at the sidelines before every single snap is one of the dumber coaching models I've ever seen.

1. It looks ridiculous
2. It interrupts the flow of the game/creates useless in formation dead time before each down (note: this is an edit from "It eats up time," which did not really capture my criticism ... props to C-Dave for pointing this out)
3. It breaks players' concentration
4. It is too coach dependent; I would guess that it actually stunts players' football IQ (akin to hand-holding from the sideline)
5. I've seen no appreciable evidence that it actually helps us to respond to defensive alignments

I don't want to get too Freudian here, but this tactic seems to be little more than a window onto the obsessive compulsiveness and hubris of Herman. With so much ballyhoo out there about his Mensa credentials (this kind of rumor almost always has its subject as source), this whole strategy just stinks of Herman being convinced that he's always the smartest guy on the field. To me, its actually anathema to smart, team-oriented football.

 

[cyclonedave25]

Re: stupid looking

A bit off topic, but I think the way our skill players look at the sidelines before every single snap is one of the dumber coaching models I've ever seen.

1. It looks ridiculous
2. It eats up time (antithesis of hurry up)
3. It breaks players' concentration
4. It is too coach dependent; I would guess that it actually stunts players' football IQ (akin to hand-holding from the sideline)
5. I've seen no appreciable evidence that it actually helps us to respond to defensive alignments

I don't want to get too Freudian here, but this tactic seems to be little more than a window onto the obsessive compulsiveness and hubris of Herman. With so much ballyhoo out there about his Mensa credentials (this kind of rumor almost always has its subject as source), this whole strategy just stinks of Herman being convinced that he's always the smartest guy on the field. To me, its actually anathema to smart, team-oriented football.

We aren't a hurry up offense. We are a no huddle offense. There is a difference.