Similar scoring with less shot attempts. Also getting one more steal per game. Im taking one
Lunch time question...who is the better PG
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You nailed it. Player 1 is Jamaal Tinsley and player two are DG's stats if you just count his Jr and Sr year!
I did not include DG's first two years but yes, he still had one year of DMac ball to slow him down.
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Absolutely incorrect. Tinsley's two years were two of ISU's highest scoring teams. I am not making that up
Last I checked, basketball is still a team game. W/L are not controlled strictly by the point guard. Would DG be a better PG feeding Nurse, Horton, Fizer? ISU would have definitely won more games. Would DG have won more games last year with Hoiberg's style of play with Brackins, Dendy and Gilstrap... most likely.
My point is winning isn't strictly on the PG. At the same time, stats aren't everything. I thought Jacey Holloway was a damn good PG but his stats are not impressive.
In the end, I would take JT over DG most days. I did this to show just how moronic people are when they say DG sucks...Here are the most common complaints about DG
- Doesn't get to the line enough- Yet, he is only 1 FT/game less than JT who people will say got to the line all the time. Let's face it...the better teams get the calls and ISU got the calls when they were good. Is that alone worth one more FTA? Something to think about.
- Doesn't finish well- He shot a higher percentage than JT. JT actually missed a lot of bunnies but Rancik, Shirley, Horton, etc all cleaned up his misses. If people watch the old games, I think they would be amazed at how many layups JT missed. His FG% is very indicative of this as he did not shoot from outside much.
- DG sucks in crunch time- DG took over the KSU game last year against 2 NBA guards. Consistently knocks down big free throws in crunch time. Turned the ball over three times in crunch time. JT missed a game winning layup against Hampton. Missed a game winner against OU. Made a great pass to Rancik agaisnt Neb and there is took over defensively against OSU with three steals. Fact is they both have choked and both have taken over games.
- DG's assist numbers are nice but he should have more- In two years he is.8 APG less than JT. JT had better finishers and DG played in GMac's system.
Simple people look at losing teams and want to blame it all on one person. Fact is basketball is still a team game. You need a well rounded team to win games and especially championships. Even in the NBA teams need 2-3 stars to win championships. Kobe never won one by himself, neither did Jordan, nor Lebron, Carmelo, Duncan, etc, etc, etc.
Again, I would take JT over DG but I think people have a lot of misperceptions out there. When you put things in perspective, DG is a damn good player and we are lucky we have him. Not only that but the kid stayed dedicated to ISU when he could have bailed anytime
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Umm, he scored fewer points and took less shots yet took more FTA per game. What you are saying doesn't make much sense. That tells me he missed more.
If you think the scoring is similar then you have to say the same for shot attempts?
Team sport, yes. But is the PG not the leader on the court? The general, the 'coach', the most important player? Yes. Very similiar to a QB. The PG also has the potential to make the players around him better. Tinsley made the other players that much better and won a lot more games.
Not saying DG is bad, but when compared to Tinsley, I would take JT anyday.
Not saying DG is bad, but when compared to Tinsley, I would take JT anyday.
Thing is, it is easier to make players around you better when they have more talent. Do you think DG would have an assist or two more per game if he had White or Fizer under the basket? His missed layups wouldn't be noticed if White was there cleaning them up with a monster jam. How many of Fizers points came from Tinsley misses?
Again, I agree with you...I think JT is better but I think people underestimate DG as a leader. He wasn't allowed to lead until this year.
I've got one thing to add. CLUTCH. Although Tinsley lost that hampton game...how many games did he lose at Hilton? 0. TINSLEY NEVER LOST AT HILTON, AND NEVER LOST TO KANSAS. Greatest player I've ever seen at ISU.
Greatest player at ISU ever? Uhhh.... no.
I agree with the OP that DG does not get enough credit. Does he make some stupid mistakes, of course, but as he pointed out... so did JT... quite often.
And it's probably a myth that JT made everyone around him so much better versus DG. Why weren't JT's assists a lot higher then?
I will admit that JT does seem to see the court a lot better. But DG's height and length are a big advantage over JT as well IMO.
They both had memorable careers at ISU under completely different circumstances. By virtue of being a Pacers fan, I saw how Tinsley went in the tank as soon as his team dropped out of the upper echelon of NBA teams. That's something I greatly admire about DG. No matter how bad things got during his stay at ISU, I can't recall one instance of him displaying a poor attitude, laziness, or lack of effort. I don't think I can say the same for Tinsley over the course of his college and NBA career, although he was a much more naturally gifted talent and remains an all time ISU great.
