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I think people are expecting too much from Royce for starters as well. He will be great but will need time to grow as a college BBall player. Even Fizer needed that.
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I think people are expecting too much from Royce for starters as well. He will be great but will need time to grow as a college BBall player. Even Fizer needed that.
FWIW, I have two pretty decent sources that say RW will be in the NBA within 2 years. He's legit too. Next year we'll have more talent then we've had in a long time and maybe ever at ISU.
Lucca is a d-bag...and he would have let the team down on the defensive end such that he would never be allowed to thrive in Fred's offense.
Royce may be a tweener at the NBA level. He should stay at ISU until he graduates. :smile:
Allen only averaged 8ppg but he also did it in 20-25 mpg in his last two seasons on teams that were completely loaded and made final four runs. My guess is his role will be more significant here.
Yes ^ This guy played in the final four.
That's something that no other ISU player can say. (The time in the 40's doesn't really count imo)
That's something that no other ISU player can say. (The time in the 40's doesn't really count imo)
Just curious as to why you wouldn't want to count the most successful Iowa State post season team in the history of the school?
I'm bouncing off topic now but:
I don't consider it a "Final 4" team in today's sense.
The NIT, NCAA, and National Catholic tournament were all separate and had different levels of prestige than they do today. My point being, not all the best teams played in the tournament that ISU made the final 4 in.
It was a great team no doubt, but I would put that on equal footing with what the 2000 team did.
I don't consider it a "Final 4" team in today's sense.
The NIT, NCAA, and National Catholic tournament were all separate and had different levels of prestige than they do today. My point being, not all the best teams played in the tournament that ISU made the final 4 in.
It was a great team no doubt, but I would put that on equal footing with what the 2000 team did.
To be fair, it was a different time where there were some unique allowances made for WWII and the NIT was just as, if not more, prestigious than the NCAA.
Here is a post I put up on my site last week that gets into some of the details:
http://www.encyclonepedia.com/2011/03/forgotten-final-four.html
Here is a post I put up on my site last week that gets into some of the details:
http://www.encyclonepedia.com/2011/03/forgotten-final-four.html
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Exactly. MSU and ISU's offenses are not apples to apples. Two completely different teams and two completely different schemes.
I agree with those sentiments (And after this I'll stop derailing the thread). But at the same time we don't look back at our football record and say by today's standards (.500 season) we would have been in 30 more bowl games. Being in the Final four in the 40s during WW2 is definitely a far cry from making it in this era, but I'm not going to ignore the banner in Hilton's rafters for that reason. Every other team counts their entire history in the tourny, and whenever they bring up a teams NCAA record during NCAA tourny broadcasts they don't qualify the number of appearances after 19XX. IMO Iowa State has few enough athletic triumphs to brag about on that level that I hate throwing away one major one because it doesn't mean what it does today.
I don't disagree with you, at all. I don't think we shouldn't brag about it, or "count it" as a Final 4. Just, that it did have unique circumstances surrounding it.
Believe me, I'm the biggest ISU homer there is so I'm fine with the banner. Technically we did make the NCAA final 4.
but, in 1944, Utah was the NCAA champion (who beat ISU in the semis) and also played in the NIT. They got bounced in the Quarterfinals of the NIT that year.
but back to Chris.
I'm excited to get a guard of his talent level and proven ability in the backcourt to fill in for DG. I don't think there will be much drop off if any.
but, in 1944, Utah was the NCAA champion (who beat ISU in the semis) and also played in the NIT. They got bounced in the Quarterfinals of the NIT that year.
but back to Chris.
I'm excited to get a guard of his talent level and proven ability in the backcourt to fill in for DG. I don't think there will be much drop off if any.
I agree with this. Allen will have a much more athletic and deep team to run however.
Royce, Babb, Scotty, Booker, an older and better Ejim/Godfrey/Railey, plus McGee can score supposedly.
I will trade those additions for Anderson and JVB.
The net/net is that we'll be much deeper, athletic and physical. Scoring power should be a slight increase, but we will be able to rebound and defend better with the added size and depth.
Even if there is a dip from DG to Allen I think that would be made up for by the presence down low that will be provided by RW and CG.
It's been far too long since I've felt like ISU has had a threat at every position on the court. I'm hoping my expectations about next year are accurate.
It's been far too long since I've felt like ISU has had a threat at every position on the court. I'm hoping my expectations about next year are accurate.
Only a matter of time before you showed up to be the debbie downer of this thread
Is this your job as a moderator? To insult the clientele. Well done. Chris, give this one a bonus.
I must have missed the post that claimed his "sick dunks" would lead us to the Final 4 next year.
Plenty of posts making the leap from practice gym fun to being an impact player next season. He might be, sure hope so. But it won't have anything to do with what the video shows. I'd like to see some video of him knocking down jumpers as he is a 39 percent career shooter. What can I say, I am old fashioned.
