CycloneErik
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Yeah, the two companies really needed each other, and McMahon really seems to need competition.
Awesome ending to WWE RAW tonight
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Yeah, the two companies really needed each other, and McMahon really seems to need competition.
I remember Vince doing a story where he supposedly died in a car explosion but then soon after the Benoit Tragedy happened and ever since wwe decided to go the PG route.
CycloneErik
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I remember tuning in on Benoit Night not knowing anything about that. Seeing Vince standing in the ring in an empty arena told me that something was drastically different.
I think the whole thing was staged, but still fun to get wrapped into it all.
RAW has been fun lately personally. R-truth has really become an entertainer. I can't stand him, but that only means he does a good job at his role.
couple random thoughts
Who else can't wait for a Rey Mysterio vs. Sin Cara matchup?
Why did they run a random match between Swagger and Booker and nothing comes of it?
RAW has been fun lately personally. R-truth has really become an entertainer. I can't stand him, but that only means he does a good job at his role.
couple random thoughts
Who else can't wait for a Rey Mysterio vs. Sin Cara matchup?
Why did they run a random match between Swagger and Booker and nothing comes of it?
Raw will never get better until Vince realizes that Cena is a down-card guy with an awful character that will never be able to carry the company.
Meanwhile, a legend like the Undertaker toils in relative obscurity. It makes not one iota of sense.
Meanwhile, a legend like the Undertaker toils in relative obscurity. It makes not one iota of sense.
Sin Cara vs. Rey will be awesome, I just mentioned that to my wife on Monday that they need to get a program between those two, as I am tired of seeing the same Sin Cara match each week. I did read WWE signed one of Sin Cara's best friends/opponents from Mexico as well to come and work a program because the current roster couldn't mesh with him in the ring yet.
Undertaker is like an exotic sportscar now, he is only brought out of the garage for the big big big stuff. After his match at Wrestlemania, he left the building on a stretcher, not as an act but all backstage.
I think the biggest thing missing is there is no top-notch villians now. R-Truth isn't liked, but dude is entertaining. Miz is a villian, as is Alberto Del RRRRRRRRRio, but not a hated one. They need to elevate some guys to be absolutely detestable like the McMahon family was, Undertaker, Rock, etc. from the attitude era. CM Punk could have been that guy until they put him in a program with Cena instead of Orton (who also was a good heel).
Undertaker is like an exotic sportscar now, he is only brought out of the garage for the big big big stuff. After his match at Wrestlemania, he left the building on a stretcher, not as an act but all backstage.
I think the biggest thing missing is there is no top-notch villians now. R-Truth isn't liked, but dude is entertaining. Miz is a villian, as is Alberto Del RRRRRRRRRio, but not a hated one. They need to elevate some guys to be absolutely detestable like the McMahon family was, Undertaker, Rock, etc. from the attitude era. CM Punk could have been that guy until they put him in a program with Cena instead of Orton (who also was a good heel).
I still remember that myself. I saw the show open and my jaw was on the floor.
Same here. The open he had couple weeks back in full confederate gear was hilarious and love the "Little Jimmy" reference. I also wonder about Booker. I think he's 46 but looked in pretty good shape for that match.
CycloneErik
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the Undertaker doesn't toil in obscurity relative to anybody. He spends half the year healing up from various injuries, and comes out basically for Wrestlemania. Noboby is keeping the Undertaker down.
It's too bad WCW was never anything without the NWO, and Turner allowed the NWO idea to be used long after it went stale. And when I say they used it long after it went stale, I mean they used the NWO model over and over and over again - with The Brood (perhaps that was during the NWO era), LWO, The New Blood, etc. The faction idea had long been played out and they kept playing it anyway. Not to mention the WCW destroyed its balance sheets by signing all of the aging WWF "names" and making them the face of their company.
Bottom line, the way I see it, Hogan's "Touch of Death" on Nash wasn't just the death of the Wolfpac, it also signaled the death of WCW altogether.
It was definitely staged - they would have never let him go on as long as he did if he truly was going rogue.
nj829 has it right - Undertaker is incapable of being the face of the company because his body simply cannot handle it anymore. Saying Undertaker should be the face of the WWE, quite frankly, would be no different than saying Hulk Hogan should be the face of the WWE. All these wrestlers that we grew up with have had their time in the sun and it's time for new blood to be the face of the company. Perhaps that is John Cena, perhaps it's not. Whether he is or isn't, he IS that guy simply because the WWE doesn't have anyone else, and the solution isn't going to be making a broken-down former superstar the face of the company.
Further, look at what I said above about WCW and signing aging WWF stars to be the face of their company - it was one of the major reasons for the WCW's meteoric rise in popularity in the late '90s, even outpacing WWF, but in the early '00s it was a significant contributor to why WCW failed - it bankrupted the company.
Sweet!! Those two have done things I have never seen done before.
how did you find out about the matchup?
A few thoughts:
Alex Riley is really becomming fun to watch and his ties to the Miz already make him pretty popular. Before Wrestlemania, the Miz in my opinion was doing a great job of marketing himself and having a mega-star presence. Since then, he's basically been relegated to tag team matchups.
R-truth is starting to take on a villain role, but until we really see a defiance against the "man" its going to be hard to really hate him. The pouring of soda on the young kid and dad was a nice touch of villainism.
I think they could do more with Jack Swagger. He has some charisma and when he was teamed with Michael Cole, I was really starting to hate the duo.
My guess is they told the Undertaker (who is 46 now) that they will write him in the shows/PPVs as much as he wants to be around. The dude has payed his dues over the year.
I think the biggest problem with RAW is the anonomous general manager. Yes, its neat to have the myesterious angle, but it makes it hard to really revolt against the system. I hope they run a plot when they uncover who the manager is.
Alex Riley is really becomming fun to watch and his ties to the Miz already make him pretty popular. Before Wrestlemania, the Miz in my opinion was doing a great job of marketing himself and having a mega-star presence. Since then, he's basically been relegated to tag team matchups.
R-truth is starting to take on a villain role, but until we really see a defiance against the "man" its going to be hard to really hate him. The pouring of soda on the young kid and dad was a nice touch of villainism.
I think they could do more with Jack Swagger. He has some charisma and when he was teamed with Michael Cole, I was really starting to hate the duo.
My guess is they told the Undertaker (who is 46 now) that they will write him in the shows/PPVs as much as he wants to be around. The dude has payed his dues over the year.
I think the biggest problem with RAW is the anonomous general manager. Yes, its neat to have the myesterious angle, but it makes it hard to really revolt against the system. I hope they run a plot when they uncover who the manager is.
I like the Miz, I watched him back on Mtv and seeing his talk about his dream of being a professional wrestling, thinking he was crazy, and now he's a top-notch guy. I think he has to stay heel, and needs to get a bit more hated again instead of just putting A-Ry over with a brutal beat-down of someone.
Swagger could be a good heel as well, he has the build and some heat already. Both of those guys have a certain amount of arrogance that the villians need. Del Rio was well on the way, but he needs someone to play off of, Edge would have been perfect to build it with, but now I just roll my eyes whenever he drives into the arena.
Mark Henry may finally be getting the heel push as well with Big Show and Kane.
I think the WWE eased back on the villian angles because they didn't want the crowd dropping f-bombs, etc. when they went to the PG format. I would have never taken my kids to a wrestling event until they were 13 or older based on what it was like in 98-2000. Their was pure hatred in the crowd at wrestlers, fake or not, and now it's just kinda ho-hum dislike.
Plus the time off gives Undertaker the ability to spend "quality time" with his GF Michelle Mcool. Lucky SOB:smile:
This is right on. Don't know if you have seen the Rise and Fall of WCW DVD that came out awhile back. It's a must see.
CycloneErik
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The Rock weighs in:
Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson blasts CM Punk for his WWE RAW promo - National Fight Sports | Examiner.com
If CM Punk and the Rock could have a little feud while Cena is "fired" (i.e. heals up from injuries), that could be amazing.
Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson blasts CM Punk for his WWE RAW promo - National Fight Sports | Examiner.com
If CM Punk and the Rock could have a little feud while Cena is "fired" (i.e. heals up from injuries), that could be amazing.
I actually watched the WWE for the first time since I was in HS last week (I couldn't believe it, but the wife watched it with me). I must say, I was pretty entertained. I know its all fake and sorta stupid, but those guys are athletic and talented. Ray Mysterio is a fun dude to watch. I think it was "fan night" or something, where fans were voting for what type of match it was. The Miz is kinda funny and it's cool to see him out there after the whole RW thing, but he needs to get a different "look". His facial expression is always the same. He really needs to change it up a bit.
Overall, it is something I would watch again. I just stumbled on it (a replay, I'm sure) at about 11 PM, and ended up watching most of it. I wouldn't mind stumbling upon it again.
Overall, it is something I would watch again. I just stumbled on it (a replay, I'm sure) at about 11 PM, and ended up watching most of it. I wouldn't mind stumbling upon it again.
Pretty much all you need to do it tune in at the beginning of raw and end of raw. This weeks raw was terrible until the Punk rant at the end. That WWE these days 80 % crap 20 % worth watching. I do like Riley since he turned on Miz. I don't know who I hate more the Miz or Cena. Cena with his hero like persona and the Miz with his over use of the word "really". He does it everyone at my workplace uses the word. Cena's finisher used to be known as the "F You" and now it's "attitude adjustment" Barf.
I see you must have looked into the raw spoilers for next week as well :smile:. Raw will not be live on Monday because of the 4th of July and has been taped already.
