^^^That was an entire conversation I had recently on TexAgs. I stated pretty much what you did and then I got ~3 pages of that response.
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Sporting News: OU and A&M may look at SEC
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^^^That was an entire conversation I had recently on TexAgs. I stated pretty much what you did and then I got ~3 pages of that response.
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OU is not a top ten program in the SEC. There will be a lot of 4-5 loss seasons if they were to move. When they stop winning and stop playing games in Texas, OU will not be that impressive. Adn they won't be abel to move without OSU.
A&M will get beat like a red headed stepchild in the SEC
Oklahoma would be brain dead to go to the SEC. Right now all they have to do is beat Texas, avoid an upset and they're in a BCS bowl game, if not the national championship game. They have proven in BCS bowls that they can't measure up with teams with more athletes and speed...so they're going to go to a conference where they have to face teams like Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Arkansas, South Carolina and Georgia on a yearly basis? Riiiiiiight
Oklahoma would be brain dead to go to the SEC. Right now all they have to do is beat Texas, avoid an upset and they're in a BCS bowl game, if not the national championship game. They have proven in BCS bowls that they can't measure up with teams with more athletes and speed...so they're going to go to a conference where they have to face teams like Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Arkansas, South Carolina and Georgia on a yearly basis? Riiiiiiight
You can recruit texas with out playing there if you are a good team. The selling point of players playing in their home stat is not that big compared to championships.
I agree that OU wouldn't leave unless the money offered by SEC expansion was exponentially larger than what they currently make - and even then, they are in a good enough position that I don't see them bolting (especially without OSU) for the SEC.
TAMU is a different story altogether. TAMU has sucked for a while - if they could make more money & get out of the shadow of UT I think they would be all for it. This would be a branding move for TAMU, and I think it is a jump they will make - it is only a matter of time.
I'm kind of curious to see how the Big 12 will react when they leave. If it is only TAMU that goes, I think the league would continue, however, the bigger problem for the Big 12 is that TAMU going to the SEC would mean that the race to form a super conference had begun, and once that happens, I'm quite certain that other Big 12 members would be getting conference offers, and my best guess, given the instability of the Big 12, is that those members will leap at the first offer that comes their way.
TAMU is a different story altogether. TAMU has sucked for a while - if they could make more money & get out of the shadow of UT I think they would be all for it. This would be a branding move for TAMU, and I think it is a jump they will make - it is only a matter of time.
I'm kind of curious to see how the Big 12 will react when they leave. If it is only TAMU that goes, I think the league would continue, however, the bigger problem for the Big 12 is that TAMU going to the SEC would mean that the race to form a super conference had begun, and once that happens, I'm quite certain that other Big 12 members would be getting conference offers, and my best guess, given the instability of the Big 12, is that those members will leap at the first offer that comes their way.
I actually think it would be in ESPN's best interest to have a couple key UT losses a year. A large chunk of their programming is going to have to be Texas roundtable show/call-in shows, and the ratings for those will be way higher when people are ****** off.
Gotta disagree.
The high school thing should be banned by the NCAA.
Also, everyone was sold that the LHN would be a place where texas put one of their noncon games and some basketball and minor sports. Everybody figured, sure, if they can make some money off that stuff that wasnt going to be aired anyways, and it doesnt affect our games, who cares? Now, they absolutely have a right to be unhappy about conference games going on the network as that was not what was sold to them.
For the love of God.... Aggie fans really are insane aren't they?
If I was a 5 star recruit and I had an offer from A&M and Texas I would go to Texas without much thought required. Why?
1. Texas has better facilities.
2. Texas has a better coach.
3. Texas is a better program both currently and historically.
4. Austin is a far more attractive destination then College Station.
5. Texas puts more kids in the pros then A&M.
6. Texas gets far more coverage nationally then A&M gets.
7. Texas consistently beats A&M.
8. Texas is in a far better financial situation overall then A&M. (Heard they have major financial issues in their athletic dept)
Those are just the first 8 things that come to mind right away.
It's one conference game in one season. That is not worth getting upset about. I really don't think this HS game thing will end up being that big of a deal either.
My opinions:
1. I think Aggies play little brother to much and need to deal with being in a conference.
2. However, to dismiss this to little brother envy is not realistic nor fair. If Iowa was broadcasting high school games on its network we would be livid. To dismiss their concerns out of hand is not fair either.
3. Bottom line ISU has no choice but to be with TX, but in all honesty, right now we are their heifer.
Again, I dismiss 80% of the Aggie concerns, but the other 20% have merit.
We may be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
I am trying to be balanced in my posts.
And as a prediction, just so you know, this will likely go away when the TX BOR gives A&M a law school (I wish we had done the same!)
1. I think Aggies play little brother to much and need to deal with being in a conference.
2. However, to dismiss this to little brother envy is not realistic nor fair. If Iowa was broadcasting high school games on its network we would be livid. To dismiss their concerns out of hand is not fair either.
3. Bottom line ISU has no choice but to be with TX, but in all honesty, right now we are their heifer.
Again, I dismiss 80% of the Aggie concerns, but the other 20% have merit.
We may be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
I am trying to be balanced in my posts.
And as a prediction, just so you know, this will likely go away when the TX BOR gives A&M a law school (I wish we had done the same!)
If you were a 5 star recruit would you choose A&M or Texas?
If Iowa State had it's own network that televised Iowa High School football games of potential recruits do you think that would help our historically weak in-state recruiting? Would we start beating Iowa for all of the best instate recruits? Doubt it.
At the end of the day a 5-star recruit is going to pick a school that offers them the best fit, the best opportunity for success, and puts them in a program that is going to win games, go to BCS Bowls, and give them a chance to potentially play for a NC. At some point A&M is going to have to admit that they don't get the top recruits in Texas because they have an inferior program when compared to Texas. It won't be because some obscure high school game was televised on the LHN.
Who says it is just for one season? If the LHN can buy 2nd tier games from fox, then any conference game is fair game for being shifted to the LHN.
CycloneErik
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If A&M has struggled in the old Big 12 South with Texas Tech and Baylor, how are they going to compete in the SEC? Are they counting on a schedule that has 4 games vs. Vandy?
That's the thing...where do you start drawing the line? If they get one, why can't ESPN arm bar a second game to the LHN? Every game that goes to the LHN ultimately ends up costing all the other conference members money.
Even though that one team may be getting paid for its appearance on the LHN, it is advertising revenue that is being taken away from the rest of the conference. That would be the part that would upset me.
The recruiting thing is a bit overblown IMO. Texas is Texas. They will recruit as such no matter what.
There's some truth to this, but are we really "captive" when our "captors" are ensuring we make a **** load of money? Obviously Texas isn't doing this to benefit us or KSU or Tech or Baylor, but that's the effect of their actions.
Texas may be our captor, but they're a pretty god damn benevolent one.
Again, I don't see why A&M and OU get on board w/the rest of the conference, create a network and DO EXACTLY WHAT TEXAS IS DOING. If Texas can air HS games, then so can we. But because of their damaged egos, they'd rather take their ball and go home or make a fuss of it. They could be getting even. Instead, they're just getting mad, and it could very well be to our (and the rest of the league's) detriment.
OU and especially A&M would be committing suicide by joining the SEC. Both programs would be almost guaranteed to take a hit. A&M would flat out suck and OU would be solid, but nowhere near where they've been.
Honestly, they might do better once they got out of the shadow of their main obsession a bit. Id also be interested in the SEC factor in in-state recruiting. Would many state of texas recruits be persuaded by the opportunity to play in state at the country's premiere conference?
CycloneErik
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I doubt it. Not when Texas prints money and has the best facilities in the nation.
"Come to College Station and play 'Bama, LSU, and Florida."
"Come to Austin and play for National Titles."
I think we all know which recruiting pitch wins. When you're competing for what Texas is competing for, the SEC pitch will ring pretty hollow. Only A&M fans want SEC inclusion more than actually winning football games.
