*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Clones85']

In the Big 12 I'd say A&M had a 20% chance of playing the title game each year and a 10% chance of winning the conference. In the SEC there is no chance they have over a 10% chance of winning the conference or even getting to the title game in any given year. They will lose at least two games playing an SEC schedule each year and in most years they will lose 3 or 4 conference games.

The only reason at this point that they have a better chance in the Big 12 is because we only have 10 teams to their 12 teams. That's it.

All A&M has to do is make the title game 1 time in 10 years in the SEC and that is more times than they have in the Big 12 the last 10 years.

 

[SC Cy]

Well, assuming that the SEC keeps with geography for divisions, I don't care if aTm is better than a lot of teams in the SEC East. That's not the division they'll be in. They'll be in with 'Bama, Auburn, LSU, MSU, and Arkansas. That's brutal.

Hey Clones85', this is why it is a horrible football move. WOW!

 

[00clone]

I hate A&M, but I think at this point, we should kick them out and add some ****** team from Texas.

UNT!!!!!!!!! Heh, heh...might as well throw DMAC into this thread. Not enought arguments.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

one official at a Big 12 school questioned the Aggies and their Code of Honor, which states, "An Aggie does not lie, cheat or steal, or tolerate those who do."

Calling the Aggie Code of Honor into question is throwing the gauntlet down. Too bad many A&M students & alum (former students they call themselves) don't actually follow the Honor Code. They do get pissy when you use it against them though.

 

[cyhawkdmb]

No. Both teams won 9 games. Both teams had good wins.

And Arkansas beat Texas A&M and finished around the top 10 and A&M wasnt in the top 25... SEC is Better=Harder to win then the Big 12...

 

[CycloneErik]

Well, assuming that the SEC keeps with geography for divisions, I don't care if aTm is better than a lot of teams in the SEC East. That's not the division they'll be in. They'll be in with 'Bama, Auburn, LSU, MSU, and Arkansas. That's brutal.

In that legendary division, the Aggies would not be a leader.

 

[CYphyllis]

Winning the SEC in football is tougher than winning the Big 12. When was the last time A&M football did something awesome in this conference?

At any rate, if they want to go, so be it. No sense in fretting over it. If this conference is on a short leash, I'd rather the implosion happen sooner than later.

aTm hasn't done anything in the B12. They are 1-9 in bowl games since entering the conference and have a winning percentage of 51% since RC Slocum left.

 

[im4cyclones]

Why do people keep talking about ND like it's even a remote possibility? It isn't.

Also, I could definitely seeing this playing out like the B12 South to the Pac 10 last year. That is, it's almost happens, Rivals reports it as such and then it falls apart.

People talk about ND because it is possible. Chip Brown at orangebloods ran a story looking back at last summer. In there he quotes DeLoss Dodds asking the ND AD if ND would be interested in joining B12. At that time, ND didn't see the need to join a conference but the conversation took place.

If you are ND and conference realignment is looming eventually, why not join a conference that allows you to keep your 3rd tier rights? It may not be likely but it ain't crazy.

 

[mj4cy]

Can't be bad for ISU if big 12 stays. A&M is dumb if you ask me....now they'll be 6th fiddle at best. good luck getting eaten alive by Auburn, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, and whoever else is hot at the time.


ISU has a much better shot at a Memphis, Rice, or Houston than a Texas A&M.

 

[Clones85']

Regardless, aTm wouldn't have made the title game had they been in the SEC last year. They would have been lucky to win 7 games, total, last season had they been in the SEC

South Carolina's schedule in the SEC last year

Georgia (6-7)
@ Auburn 12-0
Alabama (9-3)
@ Kentucky 6-7
@ Vanderbilt 2-10
Tennessee 6-7
Arkansas 10-3
@ Florida 8-5

You really don't think A&M could have gone 5-3 with that schedule last year? A&M beat Oklahoma and Nebraska when both were top 10 teams last year.

A&M also lost to Arkansas on a neutral field by a TD. AT HOME South Carolina lost to them by 21. Not that that means everything but it does give you an idea

 

[cyclonedave25]

In that legendary division, the Aggies would not be a leader.

I see what you did there. :laugh:

 

[Clones85']

And Arkansas beat Texas A&M and finished around the top 10 and A&M wasnt in the top 25... SEC is Better=Harder to win then the Big 12...

And Arkansas beat South Carolina by 21 @ USC. So how again does that prove anything?

 

[mike4cy]

Can't be bad for ISU if big 12 stays. A&M is dumb if you ask me....now they'll be 6th fiddle at best. good luck getting eaten alive by Auburn, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, and whoever else is hot at the time.


ISU has a much better shot at a Memphis, Rice, or Houston than a Texas A&M.

Don't forget South Carolina. The old ball coach has the Gamecocks on the cusp of being best in the SEC. IMO, aTm falls from top tier status in the Big 12 to 3rd tier status in the SEC. Hope they enjoy it!

 

[Peter]

The Big XII is a sinking ship and everyone knows it. Right now all the remaining schools are scurrying around the deck looking for life boats. A&M just found one called SEC. We better start looking too or we are going to find ourselves adrift clinging to a couple pieces of wood in a few years.

 

[Hugs4ISU]

Nebraska did the right thing

This Longhorn Network stuff would have happened had Nebraska stayed in the conference or not. The fact that the contracts were apparently signed by December of last year shows that this thing was in negotiations since long before Nebraska signaled their intent to leave. And it is the Longhorn Network that is, ultimately, leading to the death of the Big 12 Conference. The Aggies are the first to leave after the leaking of the official contracts, and won't be the last. Nobody want to be in a conference dominated by a single team that is able to have a monopoly on broadcasting of all high school games in an entire (big) state on their own branded network.

The Big 12 is slowly becoming history. Nebraska did EXACTLY THE RIGHT THING. They bolted from an unstable conference to a completely stable one.

And, no, I am NOT a Nebraska fan. No doubt a very large number of idiots will accuse me of being one for saying this. I am just giving credit where it is due, and they did the right thing for themselves by leaving this sorry excuse for a conference.

 

[mike4cy]

The Big XII is a sinking ship and everyone knows it. Right now all the remaining schools are scurrying around the deck looking for life boats. A&M just found one called SEC. We better start looking too or we are going to find ourselves adrift clinging to a couple pieces of wood in a few years.

While I agree about the Big 12...there is no way that Pollard lets ISU get into a real bad situation. He is going to figure this out and Iowa State will land on it's collective feet when this is all said and done.

 

[everyyard]

Pollard will get us the best we can get...the problem is the best we can get might not be great.

 

[00clone]

The Big XII is a sinking ship and everyone knows it. Right now all the remaining schools are scurrying around the deck looking for life boats. A&M just found one called SEC. We better start looking too or we are going to find ourselves adrift clinging to a couple pieces of wood in a few years.

The only thing going down is the Aggie all-male cheerleader crew.

 

[Peter]

While I agree about the Big 12...there is no way that Pollard lets ISU get into a real bad situation. He is going to figure this out and Iowa State will land on it's collective feet when this is all said and done.

I hope your right. I just hope we make a move sooner rather than later. We are now competing for spots in other conferences with the remaining eight teams, and waiting is only going to hurt our chances.

 

[tm3308]

South Carolina's schedule in the SEC last year

Georgia (6-7)
@ Auburn 12-0
Alabama (9-3)
@ Kentucky 6-7
@ Vanderbilt 2-10
Tennessee 6-7
Arkansas 10-3
@ Florida 8-5

You really don't think A&M could have gone 5-3 with that schedule last year? A&M beat Oklahoma and Nebraska when both were top 10 teams last year.

A&M also lost to Arkansas on a neutral field by a TD. AT HOME South Carolina lost to them by 21. Not that that means everything but it does give you an idea

You REALLY aren't getting it. aTm would NOT be in the SEC East. They would be in the SEC WEST. They would have had to play (in alphabetical order)

#10 Alabama (10-3)
#12 Arkansas (10-3)
#1 Auburn (14-0)
#8 LSU (11-2)
#15 Mississippi State (9-4)
Ole Miss (4-8)

Now compare that to the SEC East:

#22 South Carolina (9-5)
(Received 19 votes) Florida (8-5)
Georgia (6-7)
Tennessee (6-7)
Kentucky (6-7)
Vanderbilt (2-10)

THAT is who South Carolina racked up 4 of their 5 conference wins against (they couldn't even beat f*cking Kentucky, that should tell you just how weak that division was).