*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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UNIGuy4Cy

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It means academically, enrollment, and facility wise ISU and friends are on par with any of those other schools, but we can't generate the TV revenue that other schools can. Therefore, unless you're a school like Vandy, Washington State, or Northwestern who are already locked in with their friends, the almighty dollar has declared some universities "also-rans."
Ah in these 18-20 team conferences TV will only matter for the first additions such as the "cash cows" that are moving between conferences, i.e. Texas, Nebraska, OU, Mizzou. In the end ISU, KSU and KU will be fillers.
 

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Ah in these 18-20 team conferences TV will only matter for the first additions such as the "cash cows" that are moving between conferences, i.e. Texas, Nebraska, OU, Mizzou. In the end ISU, KSU and KU will be fillers.

Let's just hope that conferences are 18-20 teams because I really don't want to see what happens if they stick at 16. One question I have is that if money drives the whole process, why go from 16 to 18-20 if you have to dilute revenue per team to get up to 18 or 20? Schools aren't going to want to go from 35 million per year down to 32-33 million per year to take the K-State's of the world.
 

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Let's just hope that conferences are 18-20 teams because I really don't want to see what happens if they stick at 16. One question I have is that if money drives the whole process, why go from 16 to 18-20 if you have to dilute revenue per team to get up to 18 or 20? Schools aren't going to want to go from 35 million per year down to 32-33 million per year to take the K-State's of the world.

Good question. See also, why go from 12 teams to 16? Four conferences are going to find four additional teams each that are going to raise their per team average payout?
 

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Good question. See also, why go from 12 teams to 16? Four conferences are going to find four additional teams each that are going to raise their per team average payout?

Let's see which schools could make that jump by at least not harming per team revenue...

Big 12
-Texas
-Texas A&M
-Oklahoma
-Missouri

ACC
-Boston College
-Florida State
-Maryland
-North Carolina (or NC State if they're part of a unique conf. footprint)
-Georgia Tech
-Virginia Tech

Big East
-Pitt (but not for Big 10)
-Rutgers
-Syracuse
-West Virginia?

That's why its hard for the Pac 12 to go up at all without a Texas/Oklahoma combo. However, the Big 10 and SEC wouldn't have any trouble increasing revenue if all those teams are at their mercy. Then you'd have an eastern conference of leftovers who'd make way less because all the big revenue producers would be taken.

Oh yeah, and Notre Dame...but I forgot, they'll never be in a conference no matter what according to some of you.
 

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Let's just hope that conferences are 18-20 teams because I really don't want to see what happens if they stick at 16. One question I have is that if money drives the whole process, why go from 16 to 18-20 if you have to dilute revenue per team to get up to 18 or 20? Schools aren't going to want to go from 35 million per year down to 32-33 million per year to take the K-State's of the world.
The 16 league conferences will leave teams in current power conferences behind. Can the 4 conferences justify why there were schools left behind, because lawsuits will occur for those left behind and someone has to answer the question as to why. In the end conferences cannot use the excuse of revenue dilution because universities are not in the business to make a profit. If you leave teams behind, conferences will have to answer questions to lawyers and to provide justification. I just dont think ADs and presidents want to get into a political battle.
 

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That being said, how about this for a Big 10 conference?

Plains:
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas

Midwest:
Iowa
Iowa State
Minnesota
Wisconsin

Central:
Northwestern
Illinois
Indiana
Purdue

Eastern:
Michigan
Michigan State
Penn State
Ohio State


All the blood rushes away from my brain when I imagine that scenario. ISU would be looking at 40 million a year in TV money.
Tom Osbourne would vote against this. So would Bo.
 

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Their first tier? Really? Hell, dishnetwork relagates this to the sports tier, and rightfully so. Why would DirectTV want all their customers to see this garbage? I am sorry, the programming on that station is atrocious. WE is more watchable.

Let's connect the dots. Fox owns 51% (or is it 49%?) of the Big Ten network. Rupert Murdoch owns Fox. Who owned DirecTV when the Big Ten network launched? I believe that would be Rupert Murdoch.

I'm curious to see what happens when their contract with DirecTV comes up for renegotiation now that Murdoch doesn't own it anymore.
 

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That being said, how about this for a Big 10 conference?

Plains:
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas

Midwest:
Iowa
Iowa State
Minnesota
Wisconsin

Central:
Northwestern
Illinois
Indiana
Purdue

Eastern:
Michigan
Michigan State
Penn State
Ohio State


All the blood rushes away from my brain when I imagine that scenario. ISU would be looking at 40 million a year in TV money.

Good luck getting Penn State, Michigan and Ohio State to agree to this. I don't know the numbers but you are probably looking at a foursome that holds 75% of the B1G titles in their history. They would never agree.
 

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Tom Osbourne would vote against this. So would Bo.

That being said, how about this for a Big 10 conference?

Plains:
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas

Midwest:
Iowa
Iowa State
Minnesota
Wisconsin

Central:
Northwestern
Illinois
Indiana
Purdue

Eastern:
Michigan
Michigan State
Penn State
Ohio State


All the blood rushes away from my brain when I imagine that scenario. ISU would be looking at 40 million a year in TV money.

No way some of these schools setup divisions like this where you have a division with Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Penn State while you have another division as weak as Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue.
 

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Not sure whether to laugh or cry:

Former Big 12 charter member Nebraska is ranked No. 10 in the AP poll and favored to win the Big Ten title in its first season in the league.

If Nebraska was still in the Big 12, it would be ranked behind the conference's threesome of No. 1 Oklahoma, No. 8 Texas A&M and No. 9 Oklahoma State.

Even without Nebraska, the Big 12 has the most teams in the AP's Top 10. The Southeastern Conference and Pac-12 each have two representatives.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at Dave Sittler: Big 12 needs an aggressive plan for realignment | Tulsa World
 

cykadelic2

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That is a great article.

Not really:

1) A&M is an adidas school, not Nike.
2) AZ and AZ State with Oregon and Washington make more sense than AZ and AZ State with Iowa State and Missouri.
3) Prior to this column being written, it was known that the B12 is being practive and talking to ND, BYU and possibly others.
 

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I've been saying since Nebraska and Colorado left that a top target needs to be the AZ schools. The Big 12 already has a presence in the state with the bowl committees (Fiesta & Insight.com) and AZ also gains stability to the non-football sports (helps out Arizona States struggling wrestling program and brings in AZ Wildcat basketball). Also, an untapped market that needs to be explored is the hispanic/latin community. Simulcasting AZ Wildcat, Sun Devil, and Longhorn games in Spanish could gain more brand recognition to the Big 12 and draw in more student-athletes and students to college campuses. If the PAC-12 is focusing on expanding it's broadcasting to the Pacific Islands then the Big 12 should focus South.
 

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I don't understand why ASU or U of A would leave the Pac 12.
Makes as much sense as all the other theories in this thread - none. So much wild *** speculation - I'm just surprised I haven't seen a thread suggesting we add Mike Ditka to the Big XII


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That being said, how about this for a Big 10 conference?

Plains:
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas

Midwest:
Iowa
Iowa State
Minnesota
Wisconsin

Central:
Northwestern
Illinois
Indiana
Purdue

Eastern:
Michigan
Michigan State
Penn State
Ohio State


All the blood rushes away from my brain when I imagine that scenario. ISU would be looking at 40 million a year in TV money.

4 divisions does not make sense, only 2 - then you have a championship game. Plus you forget Okie St. and MIzzou........also i would think Texas and KU goes to the Pac-12 and you can replace them with N.D and Syracuse or Pitt or Rutgers.


West:
Okie St
Oklahoma
Mizzou
Nebraska
ISU
Iowa
Minny
Wisky
Illinois

East:
Michigan
MSU
OSU
Northwestern
PSU
IU
Purdue
ND
Pitt/Syr/Rut
 

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A&M sucks.

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