*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[HiltonMagic]

Cyclops?

Pirate

 

[mike4cy]

Pirate

You mean

 

[cyatheart]

I do think about long term planning but ECU? What I enjoy about our current conference alignments are the rivalry's and the geographically co-located schools. So adding ECU, which is the farthest east you can go in the U.S. to a conference that is in the mid-west is just stupid.

Looking long term, at up and coming teams and looking from lower tier conferences, then we need to look at teams such as Cinci and Tulsa or to the indepedent schools like BYU and ND.

past rivalries dont matter nor does geography, wish it was not the case but that is reality now

 

[Tank]

past rivalries dont matter nor does geography, wish it was not the case but that is reality now

Then if thats the case, what is stopping all the top schools in the country from making a conference that has no geographical relevance and also breaks up some old rivalries. They can then also get a top money TV deal where they get the money from ESPN, ABC, etc. and from also their own individual deals?

Super-Conference:
Texas
ND
USC
Florida
Alabama
Auburn
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Oregon
BYU
Wisky
Michigan
Ohio State
LSU
Oklahoma
Georgia

 

[cyspy]

Then if thats the case, what is stopping all the top schools in the country from making a conference that has no geographical relevance and also breaks up some old rivalries. They can then also get a top money TV deal where they get the money from ESPN, ABC, etc. and from also their own individual deals?

Super-Conference:
Texas
ND
USC
Florida
Alabama
Auburn
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Oregon
BYU
Wisky
Michigan
Ohio State
LSU
Oklahoma
Georgia

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So that's what Deloss Dodds said when he said Texas wouldn't start it but would finish it. This looks like what he was talking about.

 

[cyclonedave25]

Then if thats the case, what is stopping all the top schools in the country from making a conference that has no geographical relevance and also breaks up some old rivalries. They can then also get a top money TV deal where they get the money from ESPN, ABC, etc. and from also their own individual deals?

Super-Conference:
Texas
ND
USC
Florida
Alabama
Auburn
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Oregon
BYU
Wisky
Michigan
Ohio State
LSU
Oklahoma
Georgia

Those teams would walk away from that conference with 6-6 or so records. Maybe 8-4 at best.

 

[cyspy]

Those teams would walk away from that conference with 6-6 or so records. Maybe 8-4 at best.

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What difference does your record make anyway as long as you're making the same money as a bottomfeeder to the top teams in your conference,just go ask Indiana.

 

[cyclonedave25]

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What difference does your record make anyway as long as you're making the same money as a bottomfeeder to the top teams in your conference,just go ask Indiana.

Nothing, if you never want to win another championship of any kind.
Why not be one of those teams and go to another conference where you have a much better chance at going undefeated. I'm sure that would please donors a lot more than just playing against the top teams in the nation week in and out, while probably losing half of those.

Donor money>>>TV money.

 

[Clonefan32]

I have yet to post in this thread and want a little piece of history. I really don't have anything to contribute...Notre Dame would be cool.

 

[cyatheart]

Then if thats the case, what is stopping all the top schools in the country from making a conference that has no geographical relevance and also breaks up some old rivalries. They can then also get a top money TV
Virginia Tec
Oregon
BYU
Wisky
Michigan
Ohio State
LSU
Oklahoma
Georgia

did neb care? did texas a and m care about their 100 year ild rivalries? nope..

 

[cyspy]

Nothing, if you never want to win another championship of any kind.
Why not be one of those teams and go to another conference where you have a much better chance at going undefeated. I'm sure that would please donors a lot more than just playing against the top teams in the nation week in and out, while probably losing half of those.

Donor money>>>TV money.

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I see your point and that's why one of the reasons these superconferences are not the best way to go. Let's take a school that's in the middle of the pack,why would you want four teams that may be better than you joining your conference and possibly pushing you down the standings. The Yankees need the Orioles just as much as they need the Red Sox.

 

[chrishull14]

I think BYU is a mistake. Expanding west is a dead end. Most of the top schools are already in the PAC 12. In my opinion, expanding East has greater potential

 

[nj829]

If ECU were to come, I think there would be some east-coast teams also invited to get back to at least 12 if not 14. ECU, Pitt, UCF all candidates. If Pitt comes, Big East football may collapse and then you can add WVU as well or USF instead of UCF. Would be great to have a Texas and Florida exposure.

Maybe some of the not-so-good SEC teams would like to move out for a chance at winning in football. Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Vandy may want out to have a shot at a real bowl game that they will never have in the SEC. (yes, big longshot there)

 

[F5cy]

I think BYU is a mistake. Expanding west is a dead end. Most of the top schools are already in the PAC 12. In my opinion, expanding East has greater potential

Yes, as opposed to expanding East where most of the top schools are already in the SEC, Big 10, Big East, or ACC.

 

[isuno1fan]

I think BYU is a mistake. Expanding west is a dead end. Most of the top schools are already in the PAC 12. In my opinion, expanding East has greater potential

BYU is a national brand similar to ND. Not as big, but similar in that they are everywhere. It isn't expanding West. Adding BYU will bring up demand for the B12 across the US.

 

[cyspy]

If the BIG XII stays together what teams could the PAC-12 go after that would grab any attention. In my estimation,not many if any at all. BYU would be a great addition to the BIG XII and especially because they don't have much in the way of options. It's either stay indy or BIG XII for the time being.

 

[Incyte]

If the BIG XII stays together what teams could the PAC-12 go after that would grab any attention. In my estimation,not many if any at all. BYU would be a great addition to the BIG XII and especially because they don't have much in the way of options. It's either stay indy or BIG XII for the time being.

China State.

 

[CycloneChris]

Pitt is looking outside the Big East, but not at the Big 12.

http://blogs.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/pitt-redshirt-diaries/29387-about-this-big-12-stuff-and-some-notes


BYU rumors on Twitter....

utahsportcritic Utah Sports Critic
Our source finally said that Big12 & BYU conversations will likely continue but it looks like BYU will DECLINE the offer.
11 minutes ago
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utahsportcritic Utah Sports Critic
Source finally said that w/o UT & OU guarantees BYU didn't feel that Big12 move was strong enough to force them to leave independence.
14 minutes ago
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utahsportcritic Utah Sports Critic
Source also said BYU had a few other demands of TV rights etc that Big12 would not agree to.
15 minutes ago
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utahsportcritic Utah Sports Critic
Source stated that Big12 could/would not give guarantees that Texas and OU would remain in the conference.
19 minutes ago
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utahsportcritic Utah Sports Critic
Source insider BYU told us that BYU has, or will soon, DECLINE the offer to join the Big12 conference. Working on secondary confirmation.
20 minutes ago

 

[jdoggivjc]

If the BIG XII stays together what teams could the PAC-12 go after that would grab any attention. In my estimation,not many if any at all. BYU would be a great addition to the BIG XII and especially because they don't have much in the way of options. It's either stay indy or BIG XII for the time being.

If the Big 12 holds firm it's very unlikely the Pac 12 expands. Even if BYU doesn't come to the Big 12, Cal-Berkely and Stanford will make sure they never have a place at their table. That leaves a lot of MWC options - Hawaii, Fresno St, Boise St, UNLV, New Mexcio, Nevada, Colorado St, and Wyoming. I can't see ANY of these schools getting added. No one in the Pac 12 is going to want to pay the travel costs associated with bringing in Hawaii. As far as the rest of those schools, I don't think any of them are up to snuff for Pac 12's educational standards.

 

[CycloneChris]

If the BIG XII stays together what teams could the PAC-12 go after that would grab any attention. In my estimation,not many if any at all. BYU would be a great addition to the BIG XII and especially because they don't have much in the way of options. It's either stay indy or BIG XII for the time being.

The fact the PAC12 is limited on who they can expand with is not a good thing for the Big12.