*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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LutherClone

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I could see the B12 wanting to split the Texas teams and try to balance the divisions. Similar to the BIG10.

Heads
Oklahoma
Missouri
Texas Christian
Kansas State
Baylor
Iowa State

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Texas
Brigham Young
Texas Tech
Air Force Academy
Oklahoma State
Kansas

I think K-State/KU and Oklahoma/OKSt. Would have a fit unless they have the fixed trans divisional rival. Otherwise, trade Missouri/Kansas and Iowa State/Okie State and I could see it.
 

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Boren confirmed that he flew to Missouri, whose chancellor is the chairman of the Big 12 board of directors, and then to College Station last week to try to prevent the Aggies from leaving. He said he's disappointed that he thought the Sooners had conference stability and instead face the same challenge as last summer.

So we have firsthand confirmation that Boren was on that mysterious flight last weekend. Funny, considering so many posters scoffed at the notion that a high-ranking official would be on such a small plane.
 

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See...I honestly have completely the opposite opinion that his comments seemed clear to me that he wants the B12 to survive. If that can't happen, then OU needs to know their other options.

Bottom line, I still read that as OU having the B12 as option 1 first and foremost.

I thought the same thing. Basically I think OU is going to see who the Big 12 is going to add and if they don't get what they want, they will listen to other offers. I think if BYU says yes, the Big 12 stays together. If not, I am not so optimistic....

I've said it before, this is a power flex. They want a strong conference in the Big 12. I'd bet pressure is there to accept a Texas school that nobody wants and adds nothing and OU is voicing that to Texas (Texas Politicians).
 

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IMO, if the Big 12 falls then we get picked up by the Big East or Conference USA. Not exactly the Big 12 and the big bucks. I really don't think that ESPN wants the super conferences. And IMO the super conferences would be the ruination of college football.
 

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IMO, if the Big 12 falls then we get picked up by the Big East or Conference USA. Not exactly the Big 12 and the big bucks. I really don't think that ESPN wants the super conferences. And IMO the super conferences would be the ruination of college football.

Big East - yes
CUSA - will never happen, get it out of your thought processes

[rant] why do people think that CUSA is even a possibility when we would have been in the Big East last year if not for 11th hour agreement? The WORST we will end up is the MWC and I give that a 1% chance.[end rant]
 
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IMO, if the Big 12 falls then we get picked up by the Big East or Conference USA. Not exactly the Big 12 and the big bucks. I really don't think that ESPN wants the super conferences. And IMO the super conferences would be the ruination of college football.


I would take the Mountain West over Conference USA but would still hope for the Big East first.
 

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Every other conference is seeking out new markets and we are donating a spot to a market we already own?? If true, we know why this conference is doomed.

Sad but true. I'm going to be ripped, but so be it.

Adding the teams that are being discussed to bring the conference back to 10 or 12 teams will not mean squat in terms of long term stability. The pie-in-the-sky teams like ND would, but ND isn't coming to the Big 12.

You've got OU thinking they "hold the keys" when in reality they will be used as a scapegoat by Texas exactly like Mizzou was used by Nebby. They do have the brand, which makes up for the shortcomings of the state itself.

OSU who will do nothing to break their bond with OU, and will quickly fall in step with whatever OU does.

Texas Tech is the same as OSU, bonded with UT.

Texas is positioning themselves for whatever happens. They will not make the first public move, but you can bet they've got all the moves already mapped, and will come out fine wherever they wind up, even independent.

Mizzou is in lala land after last year, not realizing how they were used. They go simply because of the value of their TV markets, and nothing else.

KU will have moves mapped as well, and you will hear RockChalk Jayhawk and another major conference logo on the floor of Phog Allen without much of a problem. They take UT's place if the Longhorns go independent.

Baylor, ISU, and KSU?? Good luck to us. The Big East doesn't have much stability, and adding us to that conference will make as much sense as the Big 12 adding TCU. It may happen, but it will not create stability in Big East.
 
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IMO, if the Big 12 falls then we get picked up by the Big East or Conference USA. Not exactly the Big 12 and the big bucks. I really don't think that ESPN wants the super conferences. And IMO the super conferences would be the ruination of college football.
Best case for Big 12 implosion- Mizzou, OK, Okie State, KU go west to Pac 16. Texas decides to go indy. SEC adds one more, Big 10 decides to stay at 12. Hopefully Big East would want ISU, K State and Texas Tech to get to 12. ISU needs 5 BCS conferences.
 

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Big East - yes
CUSA - will never happen, get it out of your thought processes

[rant] why do people think that CUSA is even a possibility when we would have been in the Big East last year if not for 11th hour agreement? The WORST we will end up is the MWC and I give that a 1% chance.[end rant]

Why do people think the Big East will offer any stability?
 

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There was a recent by-line during the TCU-Baylor Game indicating the the Oklahoma President has had request from to join other conferences and he will make a decision within 3 days to 3 weeks.
 

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Sad but true. I'm going to be ripped, but so be it.

Adding teams to bring the conference back to 10 or 12 teams will not mean squat in terms of long term stability.

You've got OU thinking they "hold the keys" when in reality they will be used as a scapegoat by Texas exactly like Mizzou was used by Nebby. They do have the brand, which makes up for the shortcomings of the state itself.

OSU who will do nothing to break their bond with OU, and will quickly fall in step with whatever OU does.

Texas Tech is the same as OSU, bonded with UT.

Texas is positioning themselves for whatever happens. They will not make the first public move, but you can bet they've got all the moves already mapped, and will come out fine wherever they wind up, even independent.

Mizzou is in lala land after last year, not realizing how they were used. They go simply because of the value of their TV markets, and nothing else.

KU will have moves mapped as well, and you will hear RockChalk Jayhawk and another major conference logo on the floor of Phog Allen without much of a problem. They take UT's place if the Longhorns go independent.

Baylor, ISU, and KSU?? Good luck to us. The Big East doesn't have much stability, and adding us to that conference will make as much sense as the Big 12 adding TCU. It may happen, but it will not create stability in Big East.

The difference is that the Big East has actually added teams while the Big XII hasn't (yet). Their history is that they will expand when teams leave. Even if a couple of teams leave, they will still be a BCS conference and a POWER conference in basketball.
 

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If we end up in the Mountain West or C-USA it would be the death of our athletic program as we know it. Women's basketball would take a huge recruiting hit, and the wrestling program would be a shell of itself if it existed at all. BCS conferences dominate women's basketball and I don't see how we could afford wrestling anymore. Take a look at the NCAA wrestling finals, not too many top non-BCS teams outside of Lehigh and Cornell, which don't have bigtime football programs to support, if at all.
 

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There was a recent by-line during the TCU-Baylor Game indicating the the Oklahoma President has had request from to join other conferences and he will make a decision within 3 days to 3 weeks.

That's not exactly what his statement said. Reading comprehension failure + sensationalism by ESPN.
 

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We can only pray whatever is going on behind the closed doors turns out to somehow save the conference. Not looking good by any means whatsoever anymore after hearing the OU comments . Guess we'll find out here soon, and I'm leaning towards it being not in favor for Iowa State and Iowa State getting stuck in a crappy non BCS conference. Absolutely sucks how Iowa State is going to get screwed from this whole ordeal. We need to find a T. Boone Pickens.
 

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Why do people think the Big East will offer any stability?

Outline the reasons you think it is unstable.

Big Ten is SLOW to expand. I expect them to sit back and see how the bigger conferences work.

ACC has repeatedly said that they want to stay exactly where they are. There was a LOT of push back when they moved to 12. That is one conference where basketball will have a say.

Big East will expand. Their history shows it. They will still be a BCS conference.
 
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