From where did you here this? This would be all over the place if true, and all the Hawkeye fans who tout academics would have to eat crow as OU is nowhere near the level of other Big 10 schools, not even Nebraska.
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From where did you here this? This would be all over the place if true, and all the Hawkeye fans who tout academics would have to eat crow as OU is nowhere near the level of other Big 10 schools, not even Nebraska.
You know its been awful quiet on the Notre Dame front. I'm wondering of there is some behind the scenes activities going on. If ND and BYU join the b12, then add in a few not so great teams and the B12 is as good as if not better than before Nebby and TAMU left.
Why would ND be worried? If there are just a few big conferences and all the TV revenue goes to them can they survive as an independent? What if BE says, we are expanded and will only consider full time members. ND, you are either in or you are out and not part of the BE anymore. I always thought the "we are one conference for certain things and a different conference for other things" was a really poor and unstable way to run things. If all this realignment goes on, I wonder if the BE will try to stabilize on 16 full time members. Just a thought.
ND is the elephant in the room that nobody talks about. Maybe that is one of the things OU is exploring.
Why would ND be worried? If there are just a few big conferences and all the TV revenue goes to them can they survive as an independent? What if BE says, we are expanded and will only consider full time members. ND, you are either in or you are out and not part of the BE anymore. I always thought the "we are one conference for certain things and a different conference for other things" was a really poor and unstable way to run things. If all this realignment goes on, I wonder if the BE will try to stabilize on 16 full time members. Just a thought.
ND is the elephant in the room that nobody talks about. Maybe that is one of the things OU is exploring.
The Big 12 is unstable. The Big East is not. People say it is unstable is because other conferences "might" poach them, but that is only a hypothesis supported by the super conferists. Until I see any sign of the ACC and Big Ten moving beyond 12, the hypothesis has no evidence to back it up. Right now it is just opinion.
And just because they lost 3 teams 6 years ago does not make them unstable either.
Sorry if this has been posted, but I think this sums it up pretty well...reflecting on Baylor's win vs. the Big 12 issues...
Baylor's big night gives way to Big 12 angst - College Football - Rivals.com
And so here among the schools that actually could wind up being a wallflower is a sense of helplessness, determination, frustration and worry. What they feel at Baylor is what they are feeling at Kansas State and Cincinnati and Iowa State and dozens of other schools like them.
Everything is on the table now as college football hurdles to potential mass realignment that is no longer based just on revenue, but on ego and politics and fear and an absence of collective leadership.
There may only be 64 football programs deemed “major” in a couple years. There may only be four super conferences. There may be even clearer divisions between the chosen and the rest. There may not even be an NCAA. Really, no one knows.
And the way things are headed we could find a day when this is no longer deemed “major college football.” When a night like this isn’t deemed legitimate because, well, someone said so.
That’s how the sport currently exists, of course. Harnessed by the powerful, and generous, bowl lobby, college football still defines teams with arbitrary standards of BCS and non-BCS. TCU is from the unwashed (until it joins the Big East next year).
If they need money then they could eliminate the BCS, stop outsourcing the billion-dollar postseason and stage a playoff that’s richer than any television conference contract. That would require cutting out crony middlemen who run the bowls, of course, and no one has the guts to do that.
So instead they’re determined to eat their own.
The SEC, of course, doesn’t need a 13th team or a 14th, 15th or 16th. Same with the Pac-12 or the Big Ten or really anyone.
College sports is run by handful of super commissioners and they appear more about muscle flexing and legacy building and all sorts of acts that have stripped the collegiality out of college sports.
For college sports as a whole, it hardly matters. This is a shark fight and if the Big 12 were to raid the Big East, then it would just move the misery to that part of the country where someone will wind up on the outside looking in. And who knows the SEC’s plan. Or the Big Ten’s.
In the end someone is going to get thrown out.
And so here on a perfect night for the Baylor Bears, the latest sign in the school’s resurgence and growth, the pall of the future returned as soon as the cheers died down.
This was a great night for college football. The question is does anyone in power care.
Baylor's big night gives way to Big 12 angst - College Football - Rivals.com
And so here among the schools that actually could wind up being a wallflower is a sense of helplessness, determination, frustration and worry. What they feel at Baylor is what they are feeling at Kansas State and Cincinnati and Iowa State and dozens of other schools like them.
Everything is on the table now as college football hurdles to potential mass realignment that is no longer based just on revenue, but on ego and politics and fear and an absence of collective leadership.
There may only be 64 football programs deemed “major” in a couple years. There may only be four super conferences. There may be even clearer divisions between the chosen and the rest. There may not even be an NCAA. Really, no one knows.
And the way things are headed we could find a day when this is no longer deemed “major college football.” When a night like this isn’t deemed legitimate because, well, someone said so.
That’s how the sport currently exists, of course. Harnessed by the powerful, and generous, bowl lobby, college football still defines teams with arbitrary standards of BCS and non-BCS. TCU is from the unwashed (until it joins the Big East next year).
If they need money then they could eliminate the BCS, stop outsourcing the billion-dollar postseason and stage a playoff that’s richer than any television conference contract. That would require cutting out crony middlemen who run the bowls, of course, and no one has the guts to do that.
So instead they’re determined to eat their own.
The SEC, of course, doesn’t need a 13th team or a 14th, 15th or 16th. Same with the Pac-12 or the Big Ten or really anyone.
College sports is run by handful of super commissioners and they appear more about muscle flexing and legacy building and all sorts of acts that have stripped the collegiality out of college sports.
For college sports as a whole, it hardly matters. This is a shark fight and if the Big 12 were to raid the Big East, then it would just move the misery to that part of the country where someone will wind up on the outside looking in. And who knows the SEC’s plan. Or the Big Ten’s.
In the end someone is going to get thrown out.
And so here on a perfect night for the Baylor Bears, the latest sign in the school’s resurgence and growth, the pall of the future returned as soon as the cheers died down.
This was a great night for college football. The question is does anyone in power care.
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Exactly, and they will continue to be. People act like they will just wither up and die. They won't. I guarantee it. They will make moves to survive.
It's quiet because, as expected, they said, "Oh, hell no!". Please stop smoking crack - if not for us; for your loved ones.
The Big East teams have one National Championship in all of college football history.
That alone makes them unstable. At best they're in the same situation as the Big 12 where the only thing keeping them steady is the idea that the two leagues leftovers could band together.
If the Big 12 is unstable for losing Nebraska, CU and A&M, how is the Big East not unstable losing BC, Miami and VTech and replacing them with schools that have little if any football tradition?
No team in the Big East has significantly higher football attendance than Iowa State. Last year they sent a team to the BCS ranked 55th by Sagarin, 54 schools were better than their BCS representative. How is that stable?
If those 4 leagues had a playoff champion, BYU, BSU, KState, ISU, Louisville, TCU, UCONN, Baylor and South Florida have good grounds for a law suite. Really every FBS school does, but especially those.
If Scott really wants 4 leagues and a playoff to happen, he and his kind would be smart to do 18 or 20 team leagues. If they absorb every BCS conference team along with every team that has been in National Championship contention in the last 20-30 years there would be less chance of successful legal action against him.
Look at this potential scenario alone. You leave out Louisville, TCU, Boise State, and UConn who all previously went to BCS system bowl games. You leave out BYU who actually was named a National Champion. You leave out Kansas State and TCU who were very legitimate National Championship contenders in the past two decades.
I'm thinking they lose big in that law suit.
Today I am feeling optimistic. Why? Because these are historic times for ISU sports. Soon we will have an idea of what the future holds. Change is in the air. Could be OU decides to leave or could be they decide to stay with the Big 12. Whichever it is, it will be a catalyst for change. What is change? Change is an opportunity to make things better. The majority of time things are in status quo. With status quo nothing can get any better. Only with change can things get better. So now we have opportunity. Now we can make the future brighter. I firmly believe we have an AD in J. Pollard who understands this and will start looking for lemonade to squeeze out of all of these lemons. Soon we will have some direction and then we can build on it. We will come out of this either with a more stable and stronger Big 12 or be headed for a new conference with new goals and a sense of direction. These are historic times indeed. I am sure we will make the most of our future. See you at the game tonight.
Don't 18-team super-conferences make more sense from a scheduling perspective than 16-team ones? You'd have 2 9-team divisions and you would play 4 ooc games, 8 division games and then have a conference championship game. In 16 team leagues with 8 team divisions you would have 7 divisional games and 1 or 2 games against the opposite division. Seems messy.
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Yes, they do.
Of course, when you work out the mechanics, then it's just as simple for the whole nation to stay put and work through 8-12 team conferences.
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