*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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If this thread were made into a book, how many pages would it be. Do we have a full length novel on our hand? Could we publish this?

I just hope this doesn't turn into one of those Harry Potter things with like 13 sequels.
 

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The idea that nothing has happened yet when this was such a 'done deal' several weeks ago I believe bodes well for the conference. In the end aTm may or may not leave, but regardless I still believe the Big 12 as a conference will continue into the future. Texas appears to be doing what they can to save the conference and in reality if they truly do give up some money to OU than you have to think it bodes well for their image of 'conference killers' and it can't look to pretty on Oklahoma to only be looking out for themselves in this situation.

Yeah, all the stalling can't hurt.
 

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I'll re-post a link to a great article published by the Atlantic Monthly:Basically, the NCAA is in bed with the lot of them, so they punish the small fry and noodle slap the big dogs. It's a very long read, but well worth the time.

Wow- that was really long. Like reading a book. I think I would sum it up differently though

-athletes do the dirty work and colleges & others profit off of them, so pay the athletes and call it what it is: minor league pro sports
-some are currently trying to sue to change the system and if they win it will change everything
-the system is currently corrupt
-NCAA got fat off of controlling rights to college football TV until 1985. Then the lost that, but thankfully the NCAA tourney took off about then. Without the TV money to the NCAA tourney, the NCAA would be screwed
-It's only a matter of time until there is a college football playoff and when there is it won't be run by the NCAA, but the $$$ will go directly to the schools (who should pass it on to the players)
-Once the schools realize the benefits of not giving their money to a dumb NCAA middle man, then the NCAA tourney won't be run by the NCAA so the schools can get more money. NCAA will then be broke and out of power.
-Currently the NCAA plays favorites with its rulings because it realizes this and is scared of going after the big boys to accelerate the above process
-But all this may not matter because of some of the lawsuits against the NCAA may win...if they do, then players are going to start getting paid and we'll usher in a new era of college sports that nobody knows exactly what will look like...except it will finally be somewhat fair because the system that is making Billions off of the "student"-athletes will finally be paying some of that back to the employees
 

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Wow- that was really long. Like reading a book. I think I would sum it up differently though

-athletes do the dirty work and colleges & others profit off of them, so pay the athletes and call it what it is: minor league pro sports
-some are currently trying to sue to change the system and if they win it will change everything
-the system is currently corrupt
-NCAA got fat off of controlling rights to college football TV until 1985. Then the lost that, but thankfully the NCAA tourney took off about then. Without the TV money to the NCAA tourney, the NCAA would be screwed
-It's only a matter of time until there is a college football playoff and when there is it won't be run by the NCAA, but the $$$ will go directly to the schools (who should pass it on to the players)
-Once the schools realize the benefits of not giving their money to a dumb NCAA middle man, then the NCAA tourney won't be run by the NCAA so the schools can get more money. NCAA will then be broke and out of power.
-Currently the NCAA plays favorites with its rulings because it realizes this and is scared of going after the big boys to accelerate the above process
-But all this may not matter because of some of the lawsuits against the NCAA may win...if they do, then players are going to start getting paid and we'll usher in a new era of college sports that nobody knows exactly what will look like...except it will finally be somewhat fair because the system that is making Billions off of the "student"-athletes will finally be paying some of that back to the employees
Still, the NCAA has to turn a blind eye with the big schools in order to keep control of March Madness (TM) which makes their role as rules keeper a total facade. If anyone on this board thinks the NCAA will do something about this realignment mess is sadly mistaken because the NCAA will not lift a finger. The only resolution is negotiation, failing that, civil suits in court. This mess will only get uglier unless negotiations succeed.

I vote for the President of the US disbands the NCAA and creates an Athletics Competition oversight committee, approved by Congress, inside the US Dept. of Education. That way it will have real rules enforcement powers. We allow athlete-students (note the name change) to get 20% of all revenues off the top, distributed on a schedule depending on an individual athlete's status within a particular sports program. The athlete's share of revenues to be put in escrow until after graduation in which time he/she receives the full sum interest included. If an athlete leaves early, he/she gets a significantly reduced payment from said account. Scholarship awards to be based strictly on economic need of the individual athlete. If an athlete's share will pay for his education and more, then no scholarship can be awarded to him/her. Thoughts on these ideas?
 
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That column is total *********.

The demise of the Nebraska FB program began when the B12 was created and partial qualifiers that NU previously depended on were eliminated. UT led the charge to eliminate partial qualifers with ISU's support. Once all of their partial qualifiers left the program, NU hasn't been a legit national contender since then and never will be. That is what has chapped Tom Osborne's *** all these years. His unfortunate return as NU AD started this whole mess for the B12.

Nebraska's success wasn't as reliant upon partial qualifiers as you make it out to be. Nebraska's desire for partial qualifiers was due to the fact that there are no JUCOs in Nebraska (as opposed to places like Texas and Kansas that are full of them). The JUCO transfers and the Prop 48 kids were the same kids....the JUCOs just started later. If academic entry requirements were such a big issue for everyone, then JUCO kids should have been eliminated from the Big 12 along with the Prop 48 kids, who BTW had a higher graduation rate than their JUCO counterparts.

The limit of scholarships and some poor coaching changes is what led to the downfall of Nebraska football, not the elimination of a few partial qualifiers.
 

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Can any one tell me Nebraska's AD budget? sorry to derail the thread, but I figured this would be a catch all and didn't want to start a whole new thread.
 

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IDK, but it's Ok to continue feeding this monster; it be real hungry!

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As for the original question I believe it's around $56m. I can't open the PDF(adobe being stupid), but here is their AD budget report

bbr.unl.edu/documents/athletic_report.pdf
 
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How dare you go off topic? Over 11000 posts ALL pertaining to the subject and you had to kill it. Thanks a lot!!!

Ohhh.... Btw, last year NU AD budget was around 71-72MM, according to an earlier post.
 

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As for the original question I believe it's around $56m. I can't open the PDF(adobe being stupid), but here is their AD budget report

bbr.unl.edu/documents/athletic_report.pdf

Is that Steve McQueen?
 

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Baylor fan here. You Iowans do all of us a favor. When Rick Perry comes up there to campaign you make sure that SOB is heckled and made fun of. Do not let him win. He is the driving force behind a lot of this **** going on right now
 
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Baylor fan here. You Iowans do all of us a favor. When Rick Perry comes up there to campaign you make sure that SOB is heckled and made fun of. Do not let him win. He is the driving force behind a lot of this **** going on right now

I shall bring my Mason jars and fill them with watered down milk.
 
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If you guys want a great laugh come to baylorfans.com and watch how many of our BU law grads explain contract law to the dumb**** Aggy trolls. LOL

Also shaggybevo.com is having a field day with A$M since last week. Great pictures. It will help you guys feel better
 
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Nebraska's success wasn't as reliant upon partial qualifiers as you make it out to be. Nebraska's desire for partial qualifiers was due to the fact that there are no JUCOs in Nebraska (as opposed to places like Texas and Kansas that are full of them). The JUCO transfers and the Prop 48 kids were the same kids....the JUCOs just started later. If academic entry requirements were such a big issue for everyone, then JUCO kids should have been eliminated from the Big 12 along with the Prop 48 kids, who BTW had a higher graduation rate than their JUCO counterparts.

The limit of scholarships and some poor coaching changes is what led to the downfall of Nebraska football, not the elimination of a few partial qualifiers.


Husker fan alert. Your post is complete BS. Nebraska had a large number of partial qualifiers on their team and that had a significant effect. They got kids before they went juco and that kid never had to get his associate degree to go. HUUUUGE difference. Oh, and teams like ISU didn't take partial qualifiers. Huuuge advantage.

Dr, Tom saw the writing on the wall and its not coincidence that he left when he did. Nebraska was already faltering due to the rule change.

This is like shatels recent columns about how the north teams should have supported the Huskers. What baloney. The Huskers had partials while many did not and they voted for unequal revenue sharing.

Do you guys make stuff up as you go?
 

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This sounds encouraging for all fans hoping this Big 12 will live on without OU or Okla St...posted by STLtoday at midnight last night

MU's Deaton discusses OU, future of Big 12

Mizzou chancellor Brady Deaton, the chairman of the Big 12 board, said Wednesday night that he anticipates clarification of the University of Oklahoma's future alignment intentions within 10 to 14 days but that he remained hopeful the conference could stay viable even if OU — and probably Oklahoma State with it — were to leave.

"I don't want to go too far there, (but) there's a legal basis for the Big 12 to go on and, certainly, I would expect that to continue," he said in a phone interview.


Not that Deaton is expecting Oklahoma to go.


"If things change, we'll try to keep it together and move forward with other members," he said, later adding, "I'm a little more optimistic certainly today than I was maybe a week ago, but that's based on the fact that I think good, careful reasoning and analysis of what's in the best interests of each of our institutions will continue to bind us together as a conference."
 

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This sounds encouraging for all fans hoping this Big 12 will live on without OU or Okla St...posted by STLtoday at midnight last night

MU's Deaton discusses OU, future of Big 12

Mizzou chancellor Brady Deaton, the chairman of the Big 12 board, said Wednesday night that he anticipates clarification of the University of Oklahoma's future alignment intentions within 10 to 14 days but that he remained hopeful the conference could stay viable even if OU — and probably Oklahoma State with it — were to leave.

"I don't want to go too far there, (but) there's a legal basis for the Big 12 to go on and, certainly, I would expect that to continue," he said in a phone interview.


Not that Deaton is expecting Oklahoma to go.


"If things change, we'll try to keep it together and move forward with other members," he said, later adding, "I'm a little more optimistic certainly today than I was maybe a week ago, but that's based on the fact that I think good, careful reasoning and analysis of what's in the best interests of each of our institutions will continue to bind us together as a conference."


Hypothetical: If the Big 12 were to stay together at 7 and add 2-5 teams, how upset are you if you're Oklahoma State that you've completely cut ties with your recruiting pipeline of Texas? You're playing maybe 1 game a year in California, but who cares? I'm sure OU recruiting will be okay no matter what, but if I'm OSU I get worried if nobody else follow OU and OSU to the PAC.
 

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Hypothetical: If the Big 12 were to stay together at 7 and add 2-5 teams, how upset are you if you're Oklahoma State that you've completely cut ties with your recruiting pipeline of Texas? You're playing maybe 1 game a year in California, but who cares? I'm sure OU recruiting will be okay no matter what, but if I'm OSU I get worried if nobody else follow OU and OSU to the PAC.

First, it depends on the 2-5 schools that are brought in. If we're talking about an outright merge with the Big East, while it's not the Big 12 we've enjoyed for the last 25 years, it's acceptable. If this conference decides to invite a cadre of Texas teams and turns this into the SWCv.2, no thanks. That conference wouldn't be nearly as good as it is now while being more insufferable than it has been the last couple of years.

Second, if OU and OSU go, I don't think it stops there - the Pac 1X won't stop then until it gets to 16, which means two more teams, and everyone (except Baylor) including ISU has been mentioned as a possible team for that conference. Let's go out in left field and say the Pac 1X takes OU, OSU, KU, and ISU - likely that means Mizzou has gone to the SEC with A$M. Does Texas think a conference of TT, Baylor, and K-State is worth saving? And that's assuming there's nothing to the ACC or B1G rumors.

The bottom line, if OU does go to the Pac 12, the likelihood of the salvation of the Big 12 is not Kokusai, at the very least it will look nothing like what it looks like right now.
 
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I don't get why the Arizona schools aren't putting up more resistance to OU and OSU joining. I have to think it will really screw up their recruiting if they end up in a PAC-West division and don't play in California every year.
 

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I don't get why the Arizona schools aren't putting up more resistance to OU and OSU joining. I have to think it will really screw up their recruiting if they end up in a PAC-West division and don't play in California every year.

Pac East you mean :)
 
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