*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[State43]

What a nightmare!

 

[cyclones500]

... what happens to the conference when the B1G goes to 16, then it gets even weaker ...

Which is the B1G problem of a new conference from XII scraps. If B1G goes to 16, several would come out of that batch anyway. Sure, one could conceivably be ISU, but I like our seemingly slim chances now than I would a few years down the line.

I think a post-Big 12 merger w/ BE or MWC has little chance of lasting unless OU/OSU stayed (partly because of Big 8 tie-in).

 

[Cyched]

My crazy prediction:

Big East goes back to a non FB conference like it was before 1991. This allows Notre Dame to keep their status quo. Also helps ISU's Big 10 standing

:spinny:

 

[Mesaclone1]

Of course that option's not as good as the current Big 12...but its not "disaster" either...and it sure ain't the Mountain West. Its as competitive as the Big East has been the past few years and contains as many solid programs. So its far from ideal...but it will work IF all other options are closed off. With HUGE exit fees, of course.

 

[HoopsTournament]

The Big 12 is still AQ until the next review period. As long as the Faithful Five hold together and don't let the Big 12 dissolve, they will be AQ. Then, some teams have to win some games...

If a conference has a bowl tie-in with one of the BCS bowls, it is AUTOMATICALLY an AQ conference. Otherwise, you have to be a top SIX conference based on the criteria below. SO not only would the Big East/Big 12 Conference be AQ, the MWC might also be AQ in 2014.

BCS selection procedures

Standards for future BCS automatic qualification
Under the terms of the agreements with the bowls and television rightsholder, the ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC will have annual automatic qualification for their champions for the 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons.

Results from the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 regular seasons will be evaluated to determine whether a seventh conference earns automatic qualification for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 bowl games.

The process is as follows:

* The evaluation includes the following for each conference

(1) Average Ranking of Highest-Ranked Team, the ranking of the highest-ranked team in the final BCS Standings each year (if a conference does not place a team in the final BCS Standings, then its highest-ranked team is determined by the conference member that has the highest average ranking in the computer rankings used in the BCS Standings),

(2) Average Conference Ranking, the final regular-season rankings of all conference teams in the computer rankings used by the BCS each year, and

(3) Top 25 Performance Ranking, the number of teams in the top 25 of the final BCS Standings each year, with adjustments to account for differences in the number of members of each conference.

A conference will become the seventh automatic qualifier if it finishes among the top six conferences in both No. 1 and No. 2 and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 50 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3.

* Further, a conference will be eligible to apply to the Presidential Oversight Committee for an exemption if it finishes among the top six in both No. 1 and No. 2 and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 33.3 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3, OR

If it finishes among the top seven in either No. 1 or No. 2 and among the top five in the other and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 33.3 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3.

No. 3 above, the "Top 25 Performance Rating," will be calculated as follows: Points will be awarded to the conferences based on their teams' finishes in the top 25 of the final BCS Standings each year. Points will be awarded as follows:

Teams finishing 1-6: 4 points for each team Teams finishing 7-12: 3 points for each team Teams finishing 13-18: 2 points for each team Teams finishing 19-25: 1 point for each team

The point totals will be adjusted to account for the size of the conference, as follows:

Conference membership | Adjustment

12 or more member | no adjustment

10 or 11 members | points increased by 12.5 percent

9 or fewer members | points increased by 25 percent

* The computations will be made according to the conference's membership on Dec. 4, 2011.

If the BCS continues under the same or a similar format, conferences will be evaluated on their performances during the 2010 to 2013 regular seasons to determine which conferences without bowl contracts will have automatic qualification for the bowls that will conclude the 2014-2017 regular seasons.

 

[HoopsTournament]

I want nothing to do with Boise State, partial qualifiers are not what we need...let them fight their own fight, we need to be careful about giving anyone a promotion here, stick with the current AQ schools that are left out. Adding more non-AQ's just produces compeition for the remaining spots in the big 10 down the line

Only if they are an AAU school like Rice.

 

[JCloned]

No way on Boise State...not up to snuff in terms of taking partial qualifiers, academics, and TV sets.

You are sadly misinformed on partial qualifiers, academics and tv sets.

Boise State vs. ISU academics clearly ISU,
Boise State vs. South Florida clearly BSU

TV sets Boise games are a top 25 network draw sorry but the facts are not on your side

 

[huntt26]

You are sadly misinformed on partial qualifiers, academics and tv sets.

Boise State vs. ISU academics clearly ISU,
Boise State vs. South Florida clearly BSU

TV sets Boise games are a top 25 network draw sorry but the facts are not on your side

Correct. Case in point - last Friday Boise was on ESPN, Iowa State vs another BCS school was on ESPN2

 

[HoopsTournament]

Here is another thing to understand about the BCS.

The BCS is managed by the commissioners of the 11 NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision conferences and the director of athletics at the University of Notre Dame. The conferences are Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, Pacific 10, Southeastern and Western Athletic.

There are 12 votes in any BCS decision. Seven have been by the big boys. If there is one less conference, 6 votes would still be needed for a majority. PAC16, SEC, B1G, ACC & ND only make 5. THE Big 12/East conference will make sure that any rule changes favor us or will not give the deciding vote.

 

[JCloned]

You are sadly misinformed on partial qualifiers, academics and tv sets.

Boise State vs. ISU academics clearly ISU,
Boise State vs. South Florida clearly BSU

TV sets Boise games are a top 25 network draw sorry but the facts are not on your side

Forgot about partial qualifiers... Mountain west does not accept partial qualifiers, hasn't since I think 2008

 

[cyclonemagic]

This could work, kinda like the Florida angle. Wildcards are BYU and Mizzou. Think we'll have closure by the end of the week.

If Missouri goe to the SEC, I would not mind seeing Air Force added to the list. Is that logical???

 

[Mesaclone1]

Boise State brings a good football team.

What else?

Does it bring great academics?
Does it bring fertile recruiting grounds access?
Does it allow partial qualifers?
Does it bring a region with a large population base?

Sure, a lot of people will tune in to watch Boise State when they are playing well...but the second they have a downturn...they will vanish from public awareness. They lack the population base to sustain TV set popularity IMHO. So high ratings NOW...when they're knocking off big BCS schools is not very meaningful...its the size of your loyal fan base within at least a moderate population region.

 

[ajk4st8]

After conferences go to 16 teams... doesn't the next step seem to be fore those super conferences to no longer play NCAA football and develop their own league?

 

[gocubs2118]

After conferences go to 16 teams... doesn't the next step seem to be fore those super conferences to no longer play NCAA football and develop their own league?

Yep, which makes it even more important that we get into one of those super conferences.

 

[jdoggivjc]

The New Big 8
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Baylor
TCU
BYU
USF

+$100,000,000 from exit fees.

Could this work?

1. As long as those 4 schools have any chance at joining a superconference, particularly the B1G (since they may not expand to 16 until 2015), why the hell would they agree to a $100 million exit fee? It would kill their chance at ever joining a big time conference ever again.

2. Once the superconferences have permanently formed, such an exorbitant exit fee will be unnecessary as none of those schools will have anywhere else to go.

Use some common sense.

 

[clonefanpaul]

1. As long as those 4 schools have any chance at joining a superconference, particularly the B1G (since they may not expand to 16 until 2015), why the hell would they agree to a $100 million exit fee? It would kill their chance at ever joining a big time conference ever again.

2. Once the superconferences have permanently formed, such an exorbitant exit fee will be unnecessary as none of those schools will have anywhere else to go.

Use some common sense.

I think he meant that the new BIG 8 would gain 100 mil in exit fees from BIG 12 members leaving.

 

[JCloned]

Boise State brings a good football team.

What else?

Does it bring great academics? Better than USF
Does it bring fertile recruiting grounds access? no
Does it allow partial qualifers? no
Does it bring a region with a large population base? Very few of options do

Sure, a lot of people will tune in to watch Boise State when they are playing well...but the second they have a downturn...they will vanish from public awareness. They lack the population base to sustain TV set popularity IMHO. So high ratings NOW...when they're knocking off big BCS schools is not very meaningful...its the size of your loyal fan base within at least a moderate population region.

 

[LindenCy]

1. As long as those 4 schools have any chance at joining a superconference, particularly the B1G (since they may not expand to 16 until 2015), why the hell would they agree to a $100 million exit fee? It would kill their chance at ever joining a big time conference ever again.

2. Once the superconferences have permanently formed, such an exorbitant exit fee will be unnecessary as none of those schools will have anywhere else to go.

Use some common sense.

I assumed they meant that the remaining Big 12 teams would be collecting that money from TU, OU, etc.

 

[TRZA]

The Rick Pitino blog entry was interesting, but I still don't think he knows who Mark Phelps is.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Here is my prediction:

Rutgers/UConn go to ACC
WVU/A&M go to SEC
UT/TT/OU/OSU go to PAC

5 Big 12 teams remain and don't dissolve conference and negotiate exit fees equal to television money of other 5 (tier I and II)

4 remaining Big East schools (USF, Cinn, Louisville, TCU) join Big 12.

Big 12 adds
1. BYU - obvious choice although they may be a geographic outlier.
2. UCF - additional school in Florida to establish Florida recruiting. 40k+ fans is one of top 5 for non-AQ schools.
3. ECU - after BYU has most fans of any non-AQ school at 50k per game.

Divisions

WEST
BYU
TCU
Baylor
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State

EAST
Missouri
USF
UCF
ECU
Louisville
Cincinnati