*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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Wesley

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The Big Ten can offer ND all we want....we've offered them 3 times before and been turned down three times.

Nothing will change until ND is willing to accept....perhaps the disbanding of the Big East will be what tips the scales. Not having a prestigious home for non revenue sports is probably a big deal to some at ND.
Maybe if they turn the latest sweet deal down, the B1G will move on to others. Screw ND will be their final opinion.
 

Cyclonestate78

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Why would OU want to try and break into the Cali recruiting area at the expense of the Texas area which they already have locked down? That makes absolutely no sense. They are probably 2nd in line behind UT right now in Texas. They will be behind at least USC, UCLA, Cal, and probably Oregon for Cali recruits in the Pac-12.

OU is worried about recruiting when they should be worried about what serves their best interests overall. Being #2 in the Big XII pecking order and possibly sliding into at least a tie for #1 if they save the forgotten 5 is a hell of a lot better position for them to be in then being at best #11 in the pecking order in the Pac 16. Let's face it... The original PAC 10 schools are going to stick together on everything relating to conference rules, bylaws, etc... IF OU thinks that they are going to have any power at all in the PAC 16 they are delusional. Washington State due to it's longtime membership will hold more power then OU simply because they have 9 conference brothers to back them up. OU will get **** on out west and they won't even have Texas to blame anymore.
 

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OU is worried about recruiting when they should be worried about what serves their best interests overall. Being #2 in the Big XII pecking order and possibly sliding into at least a tie for #1 if they save the forgotten 5 is a hell of a lot better position for them to be in then being at best #11 in the pecking order in the Pac 16. Let's face it... The original PAC 10 schools are going to stick together on everything relating to conference rules, bylaws, etc... IF OU thinks that they are going to have any power at all in the PAC 16 they are delusional. Washington State due to it's longtime membership will hold more power then OU simply because they have 9 conference brothers to back them up. OU will get **** on out west and they won't even have Texas to blame anymore.

Agree completely. They original 10 schools are going to have their way on all issues, especially now that they only need 9 votes for a majority decision.
 

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OU is worried about recruiting when they should be worried about what serves their best interests overall. Being #2 in the Big XII pecking order and possibly sliding into at least a tie for #1 if they save the forgotten 5 is a hell of a lot better position for them to be in then being at best #11 in the pecking order in the Pac 16. Let's face it... The original PAC 10 schools are going to stick together on everything relating to conference rules, bylaws, etc... IF OU thinks that they are going to have any power at all in the PAC 16 they are delusional. Washington State due to it's longtime membership will hold more power then OU simply because they have 9 conference brothers to back them up. OU will get **** on out west and they won't even have Texas to blame anymore.

I'm sure that's what Iowa State thought when the Big 8 became the Big XII. "How bad could this Texas thing be? We have the 7 other members of the Bgi 8 to back us up and the offices are in Kansas City for Gods Sake, a stones throw from Ames." Don't put it past Texas to blow up another conference in the next 15 years. Especially when these teams get upset at sharing the wealth with the Washinton States and Colorado's, if they don't pick their games up. The greed won't stop, it's oinly going to get worse.
 

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Watch this happen....

Texas/Tech will back away from the PAC but instead of rebuilding the B12, Mizzou/KU will take that opportunity to replace them as the other 2 in the P16 and we'll be F'd again.
 

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A thought that I haven't seen anyone delve into.

The whole we're going to be left out in the cold argument assumes that 4 super conferences form and we are not in any. There are currently 68 teams in BCS conferences. If those four conferences go to 16 that leaves 4 current BCS teams out in the cold plus TCU. That means that 4 current BCS teams plus TCU (joining BCS conference but currently not in) would have to be short changed. With the amount of uncertainty on which of the 5 teams will be left out there are probably about 10-12 teams who are concerned about their future.
Too bad we could not put Indiana on the gang plank with us. They have a corrosive sports program in the last five years.
 

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Agree completely. They original 10 schools are going to have their way on all issues, especially now that they only need 9 votes for a majority decision.

The more you look at this decision OU is about to make... the more it confuses the hell out of me. What are they going to gain by jumping to the Pac? It sure seems like they are taking a huge risk that will burn them in the long term.

Another thing that doesn't make sense in this whole "super-conference" crap... What happens when a team and there eventually will be a team that is no longer happy with their conference ties. Say OU jumps to the PAC 16 and 5 or 6 years from now they have had it with Texas (again), had it with the Cali schools, had it with all of the extra travel and the expenses that go with it, etc... Now what are their options? There is nowhere for them to go. They are stuck. This whole thing seems more and more like a bunch of people that are only looking at the very short term rather then looking at the big picture years down the road and making very poor decisions.
 
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Wesley

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Boise State brings a good football team.

What else?

Does it bring great academics?
Does it bring fertile recruiting grounds access?
Does it allow partial qualifers?
Does it bring a region with a large population base?

Sure, a lot of people will tune in to watch Boise State when they are playing well...but the second they have a downturn...they will vanish from public awareness. They lack the population base to sustain TV set popularity IMHO. So high ratings NOW...when they're knocking off big BCS schools is not very meaningful...its the size of your loyal fan base within at least a moderate population region.
Yeah, Boise may be recruiting Iowa boys.
 

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I was just about to link that. Possible forgotten schools in a 64-team BCS by fanbase:

Missou: 1.08 million
WV: 959k
Rutgers: 938k
Kansas: 768k
BYU: 710k
UConn: 619k
Iowa State: 535k
South Florida: 521k
Kansas State: 428k
TCU: 370k
Cincinnati: 323k
Louisville: 300k
Baylor: 209k

Put another way, we're 63rd out of 69 current BCS schools plus ND and BYU. (There's a number with smaller fanbases ahead of us, since they're lucky enough to be in stable conferences.)
 
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Testing123

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From the same fanbase article, we'd be 12th out of 13 in the Big 10 (ahead of NW, of course), 13th of 14 in the SEC (Vandy), 12th of 15 in the ACC (MD, NC State, Wake Forest), and 7th of 13 in the Pac-12 (including ahead of Utah and Colorado).
 
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