*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Rickybaby]

Just got caught up with the latest OU comments and they are dead on. No more UT favoritism. Equal sharing, LHN morphs into B12 network, get ride of Bebe and get a commissioner who will treat all members equally.

My personal opinion is that for the B12 to work in the long run we need to expand. All the other power conferences are at 12 or 14. If A&M leaves we have 9. Add BYU and a couple of others. Hell, add most of the BE teams and get to 14. If we have 14 teams and only 2 are in Texas that would suit me just fine. (actually I wouldn't mind if A&M stayed around but they probably burned their bridges)

 

[Clonefan32]

Just got caught up with the latest OU comments and they are dead on. No more UT favoritism. Equal sharing, LHN morphs into B12 network, get ride of Bebe and get a commissioner who will treat all members equally.

My personal opinion is that for the B12 to work in the long run we need to expand. All the other power conferences are at 12 or 14. If A&M leaves we have 9. Add BYU and a couple of others. Hell, add most of the BE teams and get to 14. If we have 14 teams and only 2 are in Texas that would suit me just fine. (actually I wouldn't mind if A&M stayed around but they probably burned their bridges)

Everyone seems excited that OU is apparently wanting to stay in the conference with several changes including equal sharing, no more LHN, Beebe gone, etc. What makes us think UT will be ok with that?

 

[HuxleyClone]

I never said that. ISU is a much larger public state school while TCU is a smaller private school. I was just pointing out the differences in the schools.

This just in-the sun came up today!

 

[cyman05]

You all see the link CW posted on the blog? That the Big East was getting ready to accept Navy and possibly Air Force...

Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited - CBSSports.com

I would be super upset if I was somebody like Cincy right now...

Left a new Billion dollar contract on the table, left potential expansion options on the table...

Basically flat out betrayed by the team that talked them out of things that would've helped stabilized the conference.

 

[synapticwave]

Everyone seems excited that OU is apparently wanting to stay in the conference with several changes including equal sharing, no more LHN, Beebe gone, etc. What makes us think UT will be ok with that?

I haven't seen that OU doesn't want there to be a LHN and I think that's the reason UT will be OK with this. Their options right now (as I understand them) are, stay in Big12 with 30% of LHN revenue shared, or go to Pac12 with 100% of LHN shared.

 

[Rods79]

Everyone seems excited that OU is apparently wanting to stay in the conference with several changes including equal sharing, no more LHN, Beebe gone, etc. What makes us think UT will be ok with that?

They take a hike...but the thing is...they don't have anywhere to hike to that isn't going to be almost the same deal they get staying in the Big12. They can't go independent with the way that LHN has went over (they can make it happen, but it isn't as good of a deal).

 

[Rickybaby]

This is right on - Houston makes much more sense than SMU or TCU - Houston is not necessarily a true Big 12 city - between Houston, Rice and the NFL, the BCS is just not as big there. It might increase interest if a local team was in a BCS conference - Dallas is right between Austin and Norman - so they get inundated with fans and the Red River Rivalry gives college football a showcase right in the middle of the Texas State Fair.

Houston is a MUCH better choice than any DFW school, especially with A&M leaving - that was the closest one to Houston.

There was a very good article published in the NY Times yesterday that determined (very accurately in my opinion) the size of the fan bases for each school. Univ of Houston despite being a city of 6 million people has the lowest fan base in "Conference USA".

Lets put it this way, KSU has 4 times the fan base that Houston does. Nobody in Houston cares about them. I don't know why, but it is what it is. If this realignment is about adding TV sets (which means $), which it is, Univ of Houston adds nothing.

The Geography of College Football Fans (and Realignment Chaos) - NYTimes.com

 

[cyman05]

This article is the first one I've seen claiming that Mizzou has agreed to join the SEC in principle regardless of the Big 12's outcome. Call me skeptical until I see some other reports...

Tentative plan for Mizzou to join SEC, Auburn would move to East, sources say | al.com

 

[jbhtexas]

Florida is already in a conference with at least 2 other members that we've talked about expanding.

As for TCU's athletic budget, what a potential add's budget is doesnt mean much. Its how much value they bring to everyone else. It doesnt matter if they have a billion dollar budget if their addition doesnt add, or worse costs the rest of the conference members money.

The AD budget is directly related to the ability of the school to pay good coaches and build/upgrade facilities, which both directly affect winning, which directly affect the ability of the school to add value to the conference.

 

[Rods79]

This article is the first one I've seen claiming that Mizzou has agreed to join the SEC in principle regardless of the Big 12's outcome. Call me skeptical until I see some other reports...

Tentative plan for Mizzou to join SEC, Auburn would move to East, sources say | al.com

I'm skeptical too. Why isn't A$M in the conference yet? Oh yeah...I forgot. Same reason MIZZ is not going.

Looks like the wave of that KC tweet is starting to hit all the fantasy bloggers to throw out their crappy dream scenarios and report on them like they are fact.

 

[Die4Cy]

If I were commissioner...

1. Equal Sharing of tier 1 and tier 2
2. 1/3 of tier 3 money is split among all teams. No Big 12 network at this time.
3. Championship game and headquarters stay in TX
4. Basketball tournament returns to KC
5. Beebe goes away.
6. Schools sign 15 year agreement to remain in the conference. Schools may only leave with 30 month notice. Exit penalty of $35 million per team, withheld from conference earnings prior to their exit. No negotiation for reduction of penalty.

 

[synapticwave]

If I were commissioner...

1. Equal Sharing of tier 1 and tier 2
2. 1/3 of tier 3 money is split among all teams. No Big 12 network at this time.
3. Championship game and headquarters stay in TX
4. Basketball tournament returns to KC
5. Beebe goes away.
6. Schools sign 15 year agreement to remain in the conference. Schools may only leave with 30 month notice. Exit penalty of $35 million per team, withheld from conference earnings prior to their exit. No negotiation for reduction of penalty.

I like everything you said except that I don't think a flat rate exit penalty is a very good solution, because it punishes teams more/less based on their budget. I do like the 30 month notice but I think the penalty should be 2/3 of the AD's annual revenue or 30 months of conference revenue whichever is smaller will be withheld from conference earnings prior to exit.

 

[CaptainCamoBeer]

If I were commissioner...

1. Equal Sharing of tier 1 and tier 2
2. 1/3 of tier 3 money is split among all teams. No Big 12 network at this time.
3. Championship game and headquarters stay in TX
4. Basketball tournament returns to KC
5. Beebe goes away.
6. Schools sign 15 year agreement to remain in the conference. Schools may only leave with 30 month notice. Exit penalty of $35 million per team, withheld from conference earnings prior to their exit. No negotiation for reduction of penalty.

Not bad! Should we start calling you the commish? :yes:

 

[Cyclones_R_GR8]

If I were commissioner...

1. Equal Sharing of tier 1 and tier 2
2. 1/3 of tier 3 money is split among all teams. No Big 12 network at this time.
3. Championship game and headquarters stay in TX
4. Basketball tournament returns to KC
5. Beebe goes away.
6. Schools sign 15 year agreement to remain in the conference. Schools may only leave with 30 month notice. Exit penalty of $35 million per team, withheld from conference earnings prior to their exit. No negotiation for reduction of penalty.

First order of business should be equal revenue and a death clause for teams wanting out. Once that's agreed upon then seek out new members.

I'm more in favor of Blutarsky's death clause.

 

[Mesaclone1]

Here's how it all ends up...in another 2 weeks or so:<br><br>Southwest Division<br>Texas <br>TCU<br>Texas Tech<br>Oklahoma<br>Baylor<br>Oklahoma State<br><br>Midwest Division<br>BYU<br>Missouri<br>West Virginia<br>Iowa State<br>Kansas<br>Kansas State<br><br>Oh yeah...and throw in full revenue sharing in Tiers 1 & 2...with split revenue sharing of Tier 3. No high school games or highlights and no conference games on the LHN. Also, a 3 year requirement on departure and a 50 million dollar exit fee...non-negotiable.

Finally...Dan McCarney is named the new Big 12 commissioner!<p><i>This post was edited on 9/20 6:13 PM by MesaClone</i>

 

[cyman05]

This article is the first one I've seen claiming that Mizzou has agreed to join the SEC in principle regardless of the Big 12's outcome. Call me skeptical until I see some other reports...

Tentative plan for Mizzou to join SEC, Auburn would move to East, sources say | al.com

The story is now updated...

The Southeastern Conference and the University of Missouri have informally agreed that, barring new developments, the school will join the league and that Auburn University will move to the SEC East Division, according to two people familiar with the discussions.

Barring new developments...like OU choosing to stay in the Big 12 and Texas making some concessions?

At first, I wondered if MU might be totally set on the SEC without seeing what happens with the Big 12, but I think all this article tells us is that we now know Mizzou's destiny should OU decide to leave.

 

[cloneteach]

Not sure if this has been posted in this mega thread but it sounds like Oklahoma is making last ditch efforts to save Big 12 because they do not think the Pac-12 will vote OSU in...

 

[Rickybaby]

If I were commissioner...

1. Equal Sharing of tier 1 and tier 2
2. 1/3 of tier 3 money is split among all teams. No Big 12 network at this time.
3. Championship game and headquarters stay in TX
4. Basketball tournament returns to KC
5. Beebe goes away.
6. Schools sign 15 year agreement to remain in the conference. Schools may only leave with 30 month notice. Exit penalty of $35 million per team, withheld from conference earnings prior to their exit. No negotiation for reduction of penalty.

Not to nitpik or anything but doesn't #5 need to happen BEFORE you or anyone else can become commissioner? Oh and I think most people here would agree the LHN cannot exist in any way shape or form as it is for this to go forward.

It was buried in here somewhere but the reason that OU got ****** and threatened to leave was because after the LHN was over-ruled and told they couldn't broadcast HS games (to build up UT recruiting) UT/ESPN changed their policy all right. Instead, they were going to have ESPN camera crews cover HS games featuring the recruits UT was after and instead of showing the entire games ... they would only show the HIGHLIGHTS !!!! (which of course would feature the recruits UT was after and put those recruits in the limelight by getting them on TV; but only the HIGHLIGHTS like when they made great catch or scored a TD or got a sack, the rest of the game where they did next to nothing would be edited out of course, because the NCAA wouldn't stand for that).

We can never trust UT again. You get them to agree to something and they will just figure out a way to weasel out of it and pad their own pockets. If the B12 is going to have stability the LHN has to go. Call it a B12 network and share the revenue but if its called the LONGHORN NETWORK featuring the TEXAS LONGHORNS it will be an unfair advantage to the TEXAS LONGHORNS forever. That's was OU was ****** about.

This little fact was leaked out by you know you; its about 1/2 way down the page.
Orangebloods.com - Attempt to save Big 12 will be its Hail Mary or last gasp

 

[Thompsonclone]

So I've been busy today and just now catching up on everything. Whats happened today? Too lazy to read the newer pages. But I saw on 13 news we talked to the Mountain West? Why?

 

[HoopsTournament]

If you visit Tigerboard, you would think that it is a forgone conclusion that Mizzou is going to the SEC.