Catching Hell

[cycloneworld]

Did Bartman cause the Cubs to lose? Hell no. Did he change the attitude of the team, players, and fans? Hell yes.

Should Bartman be blamed? No way. He did what ANY other fan and what several of the people around him did.

But to say that incident didn't affect the outcome of that series is ridiculous. ****, Alou and Aramis booked flights back to the Dominican for the next day...before they played game 7.

 

[cy1010]

Best part was the clip of Rob Blagojevich saying if Bartman was ever convicted of a crime he wouldn't get a pardon. Absolutely hilarious.

 

[Krug]

Watching this and my cards tie the game up 5-5 has me all smiles. Bartman should have lifetime tickets to Cardinals games.

 

[cy1010]

Did Bartman cause the Cubs to lose? Hell no. Did he change the attitude of the team, players, and fans? Hell yes.

Should Bartman be blamed? No way. He did what ANY other fan and what several of the people around him did.

But to say that incident didn't affect the outcome of that series is ridiculous. ****, Alou and Aramis booked flights back to the Dominican for the next day...before they played game 7.

Those two booking flights back BEFORE game 7 is the perfect example of why the Cubs lost. If you're a professional athlete, and that's the full extent of your mental fortitude, then you are guaranteed to fail almost every time.

 

[cycloneworld]

As a Cubs fan...this documentary is both heart breaking and fascinating.

 

[SNEDDS3]

I like Buckner's comment "Any ball player in that seat wouldve done the same thing, even me".......I'm thinking to myself, A ball player wouldve gotten a piece of it! OOOOOO...burn

 

[kas4cy]

As a Cubs fan...this documentary is both heart breaking and fascinating.

Mostly heartbreaking for me. I'm one of those that's Grandpa moved to the states from Poland, my father was born, and both have passed away. Neither seeing the Cubs win the World Series. And now with how the Cubs are now, I'm worried I may never see one either.

 

[MissouriCyclone]

Best part was the clip of Rob Blagojevich saying if Bartman was ever convicted of a crime he wouldn't get a pardon. Absolutely hilarious.

I was thinking the same thing. Ironic isn't it? haha

 

[Clonefan32]

As someone who isn't a Cubs fan, that play undeniably changed the game.

Everyone involved from the fans to the players were waiting for some reason to **** everything up. Bartman interferes, Alou acts like a 3 year old, and that was all she wrote. They all threw in the towel like a bunch of conditioned losers.

They needed Paul Rhoads in that dug out.

I remember watching that game with some Cubs fans and not even bothering to watch Game 7. You knew they were cooked.

So did Moises Alou and Aramis Rameriez, apparently. Sickening to hear Alou talk about how he bought tickets home and wasn't confident about winning game 7.

 

[Cypwr]

I feel so bad looking at the footage of the guy. I mean you can just tell how bad he feels about something I think 90% of people would have done in the same position.

Only difference is I would have caught the damn thing!

 

[xboxfever]

Most Cubs fans may have moved on since the incident, but there were years that went by where Steve Bartman's safety was a concern at all times. What Cubs fans made this guy go through for so long (and still) has essentially ruined the guys life forever. It's just a ******* game. The guy that through the beer on him was in the documentary, and that guy is very proud of himself. If I were a Cubs fan and lived in Chicago, I would be looking to beat that scumbag down. That guy is a piece of ****. In the documentary it said the Bartman still won't get a credit card for fear of his life. For the rest of his life he will fear for his safety over a baseball game when every other person in America in the situation would have done the exact same thing. I am still waiting for the day when I turn on the T.V. and the top story on ESPN is how Steve Bartman lost his life due to suicide or some Cub fan, still blaming him, has killed him.

I don't know how anyone can even root for professional baseball teams. It's all about money. Whoever has the biggest payrolls are going to be in the playoffs. Low budget clubs can't afford the ridiculous money these guys want, and the big budget clubs snatch the best players up. It baffles my mind how fans like the Cubs, Indians, or even Royals could ever be mad after a season as ended. The only way these clubs ever have a chance is when they hit the jackpot in the draft and have a 2-3 year span worth of gems, and they hit the call up time at the same time. Throw in a few fading stars that have one or two years left in them, or a few under the radar guys that get over looked by the big boys because they only have a couple good years in them and you have a chance to become a competitor for a year or two before those prospects are now big money guys that the Red Sox or Yankees are going to snatch up. Teams like the Royals are a major league farm team that develop players for the big boys because they don't have the financial backing like The Yankees. They are NEVER going to be pennant contenders. Professional baseball has become a joke.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Most Cubs fans may have moved on since the incident, but there were years that went by where Steve Bartman's safety was a concern at all times. What Cubs fans made this guy go through for so long (and still) has essentially ruined the guys life forever. It's just a ******* game. The guy that through the beer on him was in the documentary, and that guy is very proud of himself. If I were a Cubs fan and lived in Chicago, I would be looking to beat that scumbag down. That guy is a piece of ****. In the documentary it said the Bartman still won't get a credit card for fear of his life. For the rest of his life he will fear for his safety over a baseball game when every other person in America in the situation would have done the exact same thing. I am still waiting for the day when I turn on the T.V. and the top story on ESPN is how Steve Bartman lost his life due to suicide or some Cub fan, still blaming him, has killed him.

I don't know how anyone can even root for professional baseball teams. It's all about money. Whoever has the biggest payrolls are going to be in the playoffs. Low budget clubs can't afford the ridiculous money these guys want, and the big budget clubs snatch the best players up. It baffles my mind how fans like the Cubs, Indians, or even Royals could ever be mad after a season as ended. The only way these clubs ever have a chance is when they hit the jackpot in the draft and have a 2-3 year span worth of gems, and they hit the call up time at the same time. Throw in a few fading stars that have one or two years left in them, or a few under the radar guys that get over looked by the big boys because they only have a couple good years in them and you have a chance to become a competitor for a year or two before those prospects are now big money guys that the Red Sox or Yankees are going to snatch up. Teams like the Royals are a major league farm team that develop players for the big boys because they don't have the financial backing like The Yankees. They are NEVER going to be pennant contenders. Professional baseball has become a joke.

What about the Rays? What about the Twins?

 

[jdoggivjc]

Most Cubs fans may have moved on since the incident, but there were years that went by where Steve Bartman's safety was a concern at all times. What Cubs fans made this guy go through for so long (and still) has essentially ruined the guys life forever. It's just a ******* game. The guy that through the beer on him was in the documentary, and that guy is very proud of himself. If I were a Cubs fan and lived in Chicago, I would be looking to beat that scumbag down. That guy is a piece of ****. In the documentary it said the Bartman still won't get a credit card for fear of his life. For the rest of his life he will fear for his safety over a baseball game when every other person in America in the situation would have done the exact same thing. I am still waiting for the day when I turn on the T.V. and the top story on ESPN is how Steve Bartman lost his life due to suicide or some Cub fan, still blaming him, has killed him.

I don't know how anyone can even root for professional baseball teams. It's all about money. Whoever has the biggest payrolls are going to be in the playoffs. Low budget clubs can't afford the ridiculous money these guys want, and the big budget clubs snatch the best players up. It baffles my mind how fans like the Cubs, Indians, or even Royals could ever be mad after a season as ended. The only way these clubs ever have a chance is when they hit the jackpot in the draft and have a 2-3 year span worth of gems, and they hit the call up time at the same time. Throw in a few fading stars that have one or two years left in them, or a few under the radar guys that get over looked by the big boys because they only have a couple good years in them and you have a chance to become a competitor for a year or two before those prospects are now big money guys that the Red Sox or Yankees are going to snatch up. Teams like the Royals are a major league farm team that develop players for the big boys because they don't have the financial backing like The Yankees. They are NEVER going to be pennant contenders. Professional baseball has become a joke.

You must not be a fan of sports whatsoever. I stand corrected - you must not be a fan of everyday life. Just about EVERYTHING in today's society is all about the money.

 

[xboxfever]

What about the Rays? What about the Twins?

What about them?

 

[TRZA]

This documentary was only 35 minutes too long.

 

[xboxfever]

You must not be a fan of sports whatsoever. I stand corrected - you must not be a fan of everyday life. Just about EVERYTHING in today's society is all about the money.

Very true, but in the NFL budgets are even and I think in the NBA it's all relatively close. It makes it much easier to watch because any team can contend on any given year, in the NFL at least. In baseball however, if you are one of the best, when you are available you are heading to one of maybe 4 teams. Usually the Red Sox or Yankees it seems like. Almost always seems like the Yankees.

 

[Tre4ISU]

What about them?

They have both recently been competitive along with Texas not to mention the Marlins winning two world Series in the last 15 years. You argument is mostly true, however there have been a number of exceptions.

 

[DurangoCy]

The Cubs have had one of the highest payrolls over the last decade. Their ownership issues and ****** signings have a lot more to do with their lack of a World Series title than Bartman. I can't beleive Alou admitted to buying a ticket home before game 7.

Overall, this one wasn't one of my favorite documentaries that they've done.

 

[xboxfever]

They have both recently been competitive along with Texas not to mention the Marlins winning two world Series in the last 15 years. You argument is mostly true, however there have been a number of exceptions.

I stated that in the comment. They have to have great scouting and have the right free agents hit them at the right time. I guess I needed to make that clearer. I didn't word like I wanted too. The Marlins obviously have great scouting and a great farm system, as well as the Rays.

 

[MissouriCyclone]

The only reason the Twins are competitive is because their in the AL Central. The worst division in baseball because it's all relatively small market teams. The Rays are different story, they average about 20,000 fans and still are competing the past years. I agree though, MLB needs a cap on the payroll. Even though it is quite funny the Royals who have a $40 million payroll sweep the Yankees. haha!