*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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alarson

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He says "I'm pretty sure Mizzou would be safe and land somewhere inside a major conference."

Like Aggie fans, he's being emotional and irrational. Missouri is more competitive in the Big 12. The Big 12 is a stable league with Missouri and an addition of Big East programs. EVEN IF the Big 12 blows up again, which would be less likely with reforms like equal revenue sharing and signing away of rights, both of which the rest of the league is for, Missouri will have a home.

Why does it matter if you have "options" as long as you have a home in a major conference? It doesn't. This. Is. All. About. Ego.

We were pretty sure that we'd end up in the big east, a 'major conference' (well, at least it was... not looking so major anymore). If we had a big 10 invite we'd be gone, not only because its the better conference, but because its a hell of a lot better than putting our fate in whatever the situation might be the next time OU\Texas decide to look around for better options.

And its clear we wont have equal revenue sharing in this conference. 1st and 2nd tier only is flat out a joke. Who cares about 1st and 2nd tier when the difference there was a couple million tops, when 3rd tier is netting almost as much for texas as its first and second tier?
 

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its a hell of a lot better than putting our fate in whatever the situation might be the next time OU\Texas decide to look around for better options.


Trusting those ****ers on any level is huge mistake number one.
 

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Ok... So Mizzou fans want to leave? Outside of Baylor, there were fans at every single Big 12 school clamoring to leave in the past 3 months, but only one of those schools has actually left.

Missouri fans do know that all they need to do to have a stable conference is sign the damn media rights papers and help get BYU, L'ville and whoever the hel #12 is on board, right?

I had been thinking this was continued leverage on UT to give up the high school highlights on LHN and no conference games on LHN, but looking at the MU boards makes them look like they are raging to get out of the conference. That's just loony. Surely, they aren't going to get all emotional like A&M is?

Tell me I'm dreaming.

Here they are - in all likelihood - poised to become the Big Boy in a newly formed BigXII North division and they seriously want to voluntarily move to the SEC West?

SEC already has teams with Tier 3 channels, so what's their real beef with that? Sure, it's called the Sunshine network and not the Gator network but geesh.

This is just absurd from all angles.
 

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We were pretty sure that we'd end up in the big east, a 'major conference' (well, at least it was... not looking so major anymore). If we had a big 10 invite we'd be gone, not only because its the better conference, but because its a hell of a lot better than putting our fate in whatever the situation might be the next time OU\Texas decide to look around for better options.

And its clear we wont have equal revenue sharing in this conference. 1st and 2nd tier only is flat out a joke. Who cares about 1st and 2nd tier when the difference there was a couple million tops, when 3rd tier is netting almost as much for texas as its first and second tier?

Are you kidding?

There's no way the LHN will generate over time what 1st and 2nd can, especially after we renegotiate.

Where are OU/Texas going again? Pac told them to **** off. What makes you think the Pac presidents are going to change their mind? Regarding Tier III sharing, we can all vote it through. If we all vote it in, Texas can accept it or go Indy. Either, way, the Big 12 would live. Should Texas get a cut of CRN? You know the SEC doesn't share Tier III either, so Mizzou's point is moot on that one.

You're stuck on the "Texas is evil" thing waaaaaay too much.
 

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1. And this is what is dumb about all this. The fans are able to demand a move against the administration's desires. The reason they're demanding a move is because of the instability in the Big 12 which Mizzou started in the first place because the Mizzou fans were unhappy they kept getting passed over for bowl births by teams with lesser records.

2. Missouri State = FCS. I don't think we really want to dip down to Div I-AA to take a new member.

It is funny because they get passed over BECAUSE of their fans. If they actually traveled, they would do the passing over but they don't. They sit at home and cry about it. I lived in Columbia in 2008, when Mizzou was really good and I know literally NO ONE that went to the bowl game....
 

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Missouri fans do know that all they need to do to have a stable conference is sign the damn media rights papers and help get BYU, L'ville and whoever the hel #12 is on board, right?

I had been thinking this was continued leverage on UT to give up the high school highlights on LHN and no conference games on LHN, but looking at the MU boards makes them look like they are raging to get out of the conference. That's just loony. Surely, they aren't going to get all emotional like A&M is?

Tell me I'm dreaming.

Here they are - in all likelihood - poised to become the Big Boy in a newly formed BigXII North division and they seriously want to voluntarily move to the SEC West?

SEC already has teams with Tier 3 channels, so what's their real beef with that? Sure, it's called the Sunshine network and not the Gator network but geesh.

This is just absurd from all angles.

This is all based on emotion and jealousy.

Let's hope that at Mizzou, unlike A&M, the inmates aren't running the asylum.
 

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Regarding Tier III sharing, we can all vote it through. If we all vote it in, Texas can accept it or go Indy..

Except we're not all voting it in. For some reason Jamie's out there publicly saying the tier 3 revenue shouldnt be shared. Everyone else without options is bowing to texas's greed (in fear that if they concede they dont have the 3rd tier anymore they'll decide they might as well make the concessions the PAC wants to let them in), and Mizzou, like TAMU and NU before them, may be saying they've had enough.
 

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This is all based on emotion and jealousy.

Let's hope that at Mizzou, unlike A&M, the inmates aren't running the asylum.

Clearly, yes it's all emotional from being rejected by the BigTen last year, and now I think they are obviously all bent out of shape of the LHN.

If they feel that strongly about it, help get the BigXII network going and compete against UT in the media game too. If all the other 9 (maybe 11?) schools did this in the remaining footprint, I bet they would likely do well over time like the BTN has. It probably will run the LHN down over time and eventually absorb it.

In a newly formed 12-team BigXII, Mizzou is in a prime spot for BigXII championships and a field goal away from the BCS in a given year.

This..makes...no..sense.

I hope that the powers that be come to their senses. It's a dumb move for A&M - it's just ******** for MU.
 

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Except we're not all voting it in. For some reason Jamie's out there publicly saying the tier 3 revenue shouldnt be shared. Everyone else without options is bowing to texas's greed (in fear that if they concede they dont have the 3rd tier anymore they'll decide they might as well make the concessions the PAC wants to let them in), and Mizzou, like TAMU and NU before them, may be saying they've had enough.

It's immature to say "I'm holding the lighter and I'm gonna burn this ****house down" rather than try to compete. Help get a regional network going or better yet be the main player in getting the Big12 Network going and burn the LHN down with more content.

They are insane if they think life will be better in the SEC West.

They are acting like a spiteful, homecoming queen runner-up and they need to pimp-slapped back to reality.
 

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We were pretty sure that we'd end up in the big east, a 'major conference' (well, at least it was... not looking so major anymore). If we had a big 10 invite we'd be gone, not only because its the better conference, but because its a hell of a lot better than putting our fate in whatever the situation might be the next time OU\Texas decide to look around for better options.

And its clear we wont have equal revenue sharing in this conference. 1st and 2nd tier only is flat out a joke. Who cares about 1st and 2nd tier when the difference there was a couple million tops, when 3rd tier is netting almost as much for texas as its first and second tier?

I think comparing us hypothetically going to the Big Ten to Mizzou going to the SEC is really apples and oranges. There are a whole slew of reasons it would make a lot of sense for us to be in the Big Ten (geography, culture, academics, rivalries, money, football would be more competitive, the promise of instantly better local media coverage). The only reason for Mizzou to go to the SEC is better stability, an argument that is pretty easy to poke some rather big holes in.
 

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It's immature to say "I'm holding the lighter and I'm gonna burn this ****house down" rather than try to compete. Help get a regional network going or better yet be the main player in getting the Big12 Network going and burn the LHN down with more content.

They are insane if they think life will be better in the SEC West.

They are acting like a spiteful, homecoming queen runner-up and they need to pimp-slapped back to reality.

Yes, its missouri's fault that Texas blackmailed the conference last year into accepting the LHN.

:rolleyes:

If the rest of the conference wants to keep missouri, it needs to grow a pair and stand up to texas.
 

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If Mizzou wants to be the northernmost school in the SEC......have fun with that...go for it.

Tier 3 sharing isn't a big deal....get over it. Controlling content on Tier 3 is and we are working on that I hope.
 

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If Mizzou wants to be the northernmost school in the SEC......have fun with that...go for it.

Tier 3 sharing isn't a big deal....get over it. Controlling content on Tier 3 is and we are working on that I hope.

The problem is people act like Tier 3 television is some mythical thing that has always been held for the schools. In the past it was just the stuff your tier 1 + tier 2 contracts didnt want from the schools, not the other way around (the stuff the schools didnt want to give to the tier1\2 contract-holders). By sectioning off a portion of your inventory for the individual schools, you potentially lessen the value of your top contracts when those media companies are looking to expand their inventory. For instance, if we hadnt sectioned off a 'tier 3' reserved to the schools, maybe our tier 2 extends all the way down into our current 'tier 3', with fox broadcasting our material on a combination of their existing cable networks and a new B12 net run by them (like the current b10 net is).
 

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We were pretty sure that we'd end up in the big east, a 'major conference' (well, at least it was... not looking so major anymore). If we had a big 10 invite we'd be gone, not only because its the better conference, but because its a hell of a lot better than putting our fate in whatever the situation might be the next time OU\Texas decide to look around for better options.

And its clear we wont have equal revenue sharing in this conference. 1st and 2nd tier only is flat out a joke. Who cares about 1st and 2nd tier when the difference there was a couple million tops, when 3rd tier is netting almost as much for texas as its first and second tier?

Isn't this also the SEC model? With the Gator (Sunshine) network and UGA having something as well?
 

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The problem is people act like Tier 3 television is some mythical thing that has always been held for the schools. In the past it was just the stuff your tier 1 + tier 2 contracts didnt want from the schools, not the other way around (the stuff the schools didnt want to give to the tier1\2 contract-holders). By sectioning off a portion of your inventory for the individual schools, you potentially lessen the value of your top contracts when those media companies are looking to expand their inventory. For instance, if we hadnt sectioned off a 'tier 3' reserved to the schools, maybe our tier 2 extends all the way down into our current 'tier 3', with fox broadcasting our material on a combination of their existing cable networks and a new B12 net run by them (like the current b10 net is).

You just illustrated that the problem is content control and not revenue sharing. The LHN was to show what, one tier-three Texas game? That's it.
 

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alarson,

Explain the difference, in principle, between how the Big 12 is proposing to share revenue (Tier 1 and 2 shared equally, schools keep Tier 3) and how the SEC shares revenue?

I understand that for one Big 12 school, Tier 3 is very lucrative. That doesn't change the principle difference.
 

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Except we're not all voting it in. For some reason Jamie's out there publicly saying the tier 3 revenue shouldnt be shared. Everyone else without options is bowing to texas's greed (in fear that if they concede they dont have the 3rd tier anymore they'll decide they might as well make the concessions the PAC wants to let them in), and Mizzou, like TAMU and NU before them, may be saying they've had enough.

The SEC doesn't share it's thrid tier either, and if they ever try to force Florida to share it that is going to be one hell of a fight, I doubt all the SEC members are going to be lining up to share 3rd tier rights when the time comes if they want to form an SEC network.
 

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The SEC doesn't share it's thrid tier either, and if they ever try to force Florida to share it that is going to be one hell of a fight, I doubt all the SEC members are going to be lining up to share 3rd tier rights when the time comes if they want to form an SEC network.

Define the SEC 3rd tier. Are conference games allowed? Are specific games reserved for the schools, or is it just what is left over? When was the last time the SEC discussed these matters, and was it before or after the big 10 network started and showed everyone how successful such a model could be?
 

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Define the SEC 3rd tier. Are conference games allowed? Are specific games reserved for the schools, or is it just what is left over? When was the last time the SEC discussed these matters, and was it before or after the big 10 network started and showed everyone how successful such a model could be?

The problem with the LHN, and one I think we all agree on, is not that Texas gets the revenue, but what the content is.

I think content is a battle the rest of us can and will win.

However, as long as the LHN abides by those content rules, I (and I think most Big 12 ADs) couldn't care less about Texas keeping that money. That money isn't holding us back.
 
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