*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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So it's clear you don't have a handle on the core issues here. You're just spouting off without a clear basis to do so. Makes more sense now.
Yes, its missouri's fault that Texas blackmailed the conference last year into accepting the LHN.
If the rest of the conference wants to keep missouri, it needs to grow a pair and stand up to texas.
That ship has sailed.
The horse is out of the barn.
We've crossed that bridge.
Go ahead and pick your metaphor. That fight has been fought and there is not much to be gained by further examining the. Texas won that fight, and I don't think there's a way that it can be undone.
Let's move forward from here with a plan that will make the conference attractive to other potential members and stable in the long run rather than trying to survey the landscape looking in the rear-view mirror. That's asking for a wreck. This means acting in a proactive manner on a number of iniatives:
1) obtaining media right for 6 years (preferably longer),
2) equal sharing on Tier1 & Tier 2,
3) expansion to 12 teams with best quality teams with good markets
4) resurrection of the BigXII championship game
5) approaching Fox about a joint ownership Big12 network.
We have multiple models on how it can be done in front of us - conference leadership needs to make it happen. The best move working toward check-mate versus the LHN now is to get the proper content controls in place and provide a Big12 Network to compete against it and eventually subsume it.
It's a shame we have to compete against Texas in this kind of an arrangement, but we know what we're dealing with now with them. The only thing they respect is competition - the rest is just platitudes with some winks and "y'alls" stuck on for appearance. There needs to be a Big12 Network that just ****pounds the LHN into oblivion with content and solidarity from the remaining schools. It can be done.
I still don't know why BYU would turn the Big 12 down.
I could see why we wouldn't offer, but not the reverse.
I could see why we wouldn't offer, but not the reverse.
According to Wiki, the BTN was on Directv and Uverse at launch, and Dish picked it up a week later. It was on approximately 250 small carriers.
The Longhorn Network is available nationwide on Verizon FiOS TV and within Texas on 7 small carriers.
Advantage BTN.
Lol. I'm no aggie. Full disclosure, I do have a family connection there (brother went to TAMU), so i've had the chance to spend a bit of time down there, but that's about it. Its pretty often that i'll pull against them honestly (i was for the Okie State game).
There's plenty to like there, but plenty not to like too (the whole... cultish thing). I dont hold them blameless in all of this either. They certainly have committed their faults in how they've handled this, there's no questioning that. But i'm also not going to blindly follow the Chip Brown\Deloss Dodds Texas line that everyone else but Texas is at fault here.
I have yet to see anyone outside of orangebloods with this mentality.
A$M and NU share much more blame for the Big 12's recent instability than does Texas. A$M in particular demonstrating "logic" that can only be derived from the wounded pride of little bro losing a ******* match that they initiated.
I disagree. Not all major conferences are alike. If (when) TX and OU see a better offer and jump, the Big 12 stops being a major conference. Ego isn't a factor at all. I think most Mizzou fans don't want to see the Big 12 destroyed, nor do we think that our departure would do that.
An "emotional" or "irrational" decision would be to reject an opportunity to increase revenue, create new matchups, and gain stability in favor of "traditional" rivalries that few care about. Do you get fired up by road trips to Lubbock or Manhattan? Or Columbia, for that matter?
I don't think ANY Mizzou fans expect to come into the SEC and win consistently, right away. We're certainly not Alabama, but we're not Vanderbilt, either. (I think the 2007 12-2 team could have competed with anybody in the SEC at that time) We'll get better.
All I want is what is best for Missouri, just as most of you want what is best for ISU above all else. Maybe that's part of the problem with this conference.
I don't claim to understand all of the implications about Tier 1/2/3 revenue, but this is the best article I've seen explaining it. (My apologies if the link doesn't work...it's my first post)
SEC Expansion To 14 Goal: Its Own Network : Outkick The Coverage
(sorry if this has already been posted in the thousands of posts in this thread!)
I think Gabe D's right about one thing: the time for complaining about this conference is over. Either the Big 12 is fixable or it isn't. I would imagine most Cyclones believe it is. My guess is most Mizzou fans think it's time to shake hands, part company, and move on.
An "emotional" or "irrational" decision would be to reject an opportunity to increase revenue, create new matchups, and gain stability in favor of "traditional" rivalries that few care about. Do you get fired up by road trips to Lubbock or Manhattan? Or Columbia, for that matter?
I don't think ANY Mizzou fans expect to come into the SEC and win consistently, right away. We're certainly not Alabama, but we're not Vanderbilt, either. (I think the 2007 12-2 team could have competed with anybody in the SEC at that time) We'll get better.
All I want is what is best for Missouri, just as most of you want what is best for ISU above all else. Maybe that's part of the problem with this conference.
I don't claim to understand all of the implications about Tier 1/2/3 revenue, but this is the best article I've seen explaining it. (My apologies if the link doesn't work...it's my first post)
SEC Expansion To 14 Goal: Its Own Network : Outkick The Coverage
(sorry if this has already been posted in the thousands of posts in this thread!)
I think Gabe D's right about one thing: the time for complaining about this conference is over. Either the Big 12 is fixable or it isn't. I would imagine most Cyclones believe it is. My guess is most Mizzou fans think it's time to shake hands, part company, and move on.
I don't fault Mizzou for wanting stability, but the same argument applies to them as it did to Nebraska and Texas A&M - part of the instability that they claim is what makes them want to leave is being caused by themselves.
It's sad that one of the conferences that boasted classic match ups in the Big 8 and later into the Big 12 is being torn apart.
To that end, using the argument that your best team in school history could compete in the SEC is a bit flimsy. Mizzou came to power in the Big 12 North at the same time that Nebraska, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State were ALL no better than slightly above average in conference. ALL FIVE divisional opponents were part of what was considered one of the weakest divisions in BCS football.
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Not a fan of Texas. They're definitely wearing a black hat in this reorg business. Plenty of others to blame, too, including aTm and the $EC, OU and their Lackeys playing the field, Nebraska going to the right conference for them but for the wrong reasons, and Missery actively courting at least two other conferences for the last two years. Texas was the majority of the issue in the conference, but the others are greedy, too.
What you guys fail to realize is that you will be an outlier in the conference. You may very well not ever get better. You will lose some ties to Texas. You may gain some more in other state but all that talent Pinkel has been upgrading with won't be available in the future. You will have no rival. That's not to mention that Pinkel got to build a program in perhaps the worst division in BCS football over the past few years. You guys won't be a BCS team again, likely in my lifetime. I don't think your fanbase in general really recognizes just how far removed you are from the rest of the SEC. I don't think Mizzou alone can destroy the conference. I think WVU replaces them just fine, perhaps even better with Holgerson now there. I wish they wouldn't leave though. I honestly believe that in 5 years, if you guys go to the SEC, you will greatly regret it.
well, I for one, LOVE going to Columbia. Great town. I think a lot of the bigXII fans fall into the "don't care because espn doesn't care" about the match-up. Sure, it isn't national tv worthy but I love ISU vs KSU and ISU vs OSU and ISU vs Mizzou. We should care a HELL of a lot more than we do, but we all let the TV people tell us the games are good. But they are. And Missouri has a lot more in common with KSU than they do with Florida or Georgia. Do you think I am going to be waiting all day for those Nebraska vs Purdue battles?? Not so much, but I tuned in for Mizzou vs OU.
Also, if someone has a ***** in this whole deal, it's Mizzou. They didn't create the by laws in this league. I do understand their stance from that aspect. And hey, if they leave, that's one less U to take our B1G invite.
Big XII is fixable with some work on everyone's part. Maybe Missouri is part of the solution, maybe not. Just like OU's ploy earlier, you don't know until the curators meet next week. Don't expect us to dance for joy if they get into the $EC for security and $$$ at the expense of tradition and rivalries. I understand what they're doing, but I don't have to like it. Personally, I think if they hold out a few years the B1G comes calling for them when their contract expires. Hard to believe they can leave the $EC for the B1G...
Anyone think the NCAA/BCS can stop this whole thing if they simply state they will not alter the number of maximum conference teams available who can participate in a BCS game?
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