Big 12 Referees

[HFCS]

I can understand Big XII refs screwing you guys against Texas...but why would they do it against UConn?

I believe it was 95 to 5 in penalty yards, ISU to UConn. Their one penalty was a 4th quarter call where their d lineman was a full yard off sides, a must call. There was an obvious holding penalty on UConn early, that was flagged, and they picked up the flag and said no infraction. There was a UConn TD where the guy was down a full yard in front of the end zone, the announcers were positive it would be called back...TD.

I have no idea why B12 refs would screw us against UConn, but it was as one sided an officiated game as I have ever seen in college football. If you're an Iowa fan, the last time I saw a game so obviously rigged for one team was the Iowa-Michigan game 6-7 years back where an Iowa D back was tackled before the ball got there while diving for an interception and they called PI on the Iowa DB who was diving for a ball. The fix was in on that one.

 

[HFCS]

You don't think the Big XII has more to gain by having an undefeated UT/OU game next week?

As I have watched the Big XII through the years, they seam to favor the team that will do the most for the league at that time. I watched KSU almost rip the NU QB's head off in plain sight (2001?), but at the time it was better for the Big XII that KSU win. Magically they did.

Need a team to get that magical 6th win to round out your bowl slate? Just review a few extra plays to take away some TD's or big gains. Not hard to do - see ISU / KU in '05.


Oh, and after the "big" win against ISU, you see UT on the front page os ESPN's CFB site: Link. Imagine that...

I challenge anyone to find a worse call anywhere than giving a team a 3 pointer during a dead ball situation with the clock not running.

At least the Big East bogus extra point call happened during a live play.

Giving KU a game tying 3 pointer during a dead ball would be more like if they had given Syracuse a point for their kicker hitting an extra point in WARM UPS or on the sideline. The refs doing that PAT were light years more understandable in their mistake than putting a touchdown on the board during half time.

I'm guessing if any other team did that, not only would they take the 3 points off the board, they'd probably award a technical foul to the other team.

 

[edr247]

I believe it was 95 to 5 in penalty yards, ISU to UConn. Their one penalty was a 4th quarter call where their d lineman was a full yard off sides, a must call. There was an obvious holding penalty on UConn early, that was flagged, and they picked up the flag and said no infraction. There was a UConn TD where the guy was down a full yard in front of the end zone, the announcers were positive it would be called back...TD.

I have no idea why B12 refs would screw us against UConn, but it was as one sided an officiated game as I have ever seen in college football. If you're an Iowa fan, the last time I saw a game so obviously rigged for one team was the Iowa-Michigan game 6-7 years back where an Iowa D back was tackled before the ball got there while diving for an interception and they called PI on the Iowa DB who was diving for a ball. The fix was in on that one.

Not saying calls weren't going against you guys, or that calls were all justified...just not understanding why BXII refs would want to screw over a conference team on the road against a non-con opponent. I can see refs calling games to favor certain teams in conference match-ups...you have examples in every conference. In your case, when so many calls seem to go against you, I certainly see where the likelihood of unfair calling trumps referee incompetence...

Also, with the Iowa-Michigan game, are you talking about the ******** '05 game? The first Blackout game, where we lost our home win streak? I don't remember specific calls, but I do remember the student section throwing the yellow towels they had given us on the field, as the refs certainly weren't doing it in our favor.

 

[Tedcyclone]

My favorite was "the previous play of the runner being down by contact is under review" followed closely by "after review, the call of a fumble recovered by the offense is confirmed".

Anyone else catch this Saturday night?

sure did... fing idiots.. 1. i didnt think the play was reviewable as no one was declared as recovering the said fumble
2. they ruled him down, freaking dip sticks.
3. yes the big 12 refs have been freaking awful in
every game of ours.

 

[BigLame]

Remember a link someone posted a while back where Texas scores (don't recall if it was a TD or FG), and the official pumped his fist in celebration.

Referees/officials damn near always favor the big boys in the Big XII.

It will be interesting to see how poorly the UT/OU game is officiated.

 

[Tedcyclone]

I believe it was 95 to 5 in penalty yards, ISU to UConn. Their one penalty was a 4th quarter call where their d lineman was a full yard off sides, a must call. There was an obvious holding penalty on UConn early, that was flagged, and they picked up the flag and said no infraction. There was a UConn TD where the guy was down a full yard in front of the end zone, the announcers were positive it would be called back...TD.

I have no idea why B12 refs would screw us against UConn, but it was as one sided an officiated game as I have ever seen in college football. If you're an Iowa fan, the last time I saw a game so obviously rigged for one team was the Iowa-Michigan game 6-7 years back where an Iowa D back was tackled before the ball got there while diving for an interception and they called PI on the Iowa DB who was diving for a ball. The fix was in on that one.

this, yes the uconn game had some funny business going on for sure. No way you review that called uconn td and then reverse it to a td, or pick up holding and facemask flags. the only shocker in that one was that they called Lenz's catch, which was clearly a catch, a catch. Cant beleive we didnt get screwed on that one.

 

[edr247]

Remember a link someone posted a while back where Texas scores (don't recall if it was a TD or FG), and the official pumped his fist in celebration.

Referees/officials damn near always favor the big boys in the Big XII.

It will be interesting to see how poorly the UT/OU game is officiated.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrzdWla8st8]UT vs. CU - Ref fist pump - YouTube[/ame]

 

[BigLame]

UT vs. CU - Ref fist pump - YouTube

Thanks EDR247 - that was it.
Gee, where is Colorado now?

 

[3TrueFans]

UT vs. CU - Ref fist pump - YouTube

Haha wow, I'd never seen that before.

 

[CycoCyclone]

My favorite was "the previous play of the runner being down by contact is under review" followed closely by "after review, the call of a fumble recovered by the offense is confirmed".

Anyone else catch this Saturday night?

yes, I thought that was laughable.

 

[statsaholic]

Pass interference is not a spot foul in college. It's 15 yards unless inside 15, then it's a spot foul.

Inside the 15 is the same, just if it is inside the 2 or in the end zone it is placed at the 2 by rule, automatic first down. Unless the original line of scrimmage is the 2 or inside, then it is half the distance and automatic 1st down.

 

[ruxCYtable]

One thing that has surprised me this year is the amount of "guessing" I see going on. An official who is near a play will call nothing, then a flag will come flying in from 30 yards away. Sometimes it can be difficult to see a play when you are right on top of it, I'll grant that, but I've seen several occasions this year where the nearer official called it correctly and an official from 30 yards away comes in and overrules him on what was clearly a guess.

I have never officiated football but when Iowa went from two-person to three-person crews in basketball a few years ago, one of the mantras was "no more guessing." I'd rather miss a call because I didn't see it than guess, and guess wrong. And believe me I've done both!

Calling stuff that just didn't happen and/or guessing has just got to stop. Also, selective interpretation of what is and is not "irrefutable video evidence" is ruining the replay system.

 

[TheOne1]

Have any of you tried to officiate a High School Football Game? let alone a NCAA Division 1 Game? Go out an officiate High School football, see how many "easy" calls you miss? 99.9% of officials are not out to screw anyone over. They are calling what they see and if they do not see the whole play, they do not call it.
Get over the Officials, they are human, the make mistakes.

 

[ruxCYtable]

It was bad enough that a hawk fan called me to complain about how bad the reds were screwing ISU during the Texas game.

The catch that Money made that was ruled incomplete happened right in front of me and it was a completion. I have no idea how that was reviewed and they had indisputable proof that is was incomplete.

Yes, this was clearly a catch. The ref was probably hanging his hat on the fact that the ball "moved" but Money kept his hands under it the whole time. How they could call that irrefutable video evidence is completely beyond me.

 

[WalkingCY]

Thanks EDR247 - that was it.
Gee, where is Colorado now?

All I can say is "wow."

If I were a CU fan and saw that, I would be livid.

 

[ruxCYtable]

Have any of you tried to officiate a High School Football Game? let alone a NCAA Division 1 Game? Go out an officiate High School football, see how many "easy" calls you miss? 99.9% of officials are not out to screw anyone over. They are calling what they see and if they do not see the whole play, they do not call it.
Get over the Officials, they are human, the make mistakes.

I agree with this too. Most of them are not trying to screw anyone over and are doing the best job they can do and are good people who care about trying to get it right.

But I will also say, some of the incompetence that has been displayed during ISU games this year has been inexcusable.

 

[ruxCYtable]

In order to fix officiating they need to hire full time officials like the NFL. These garbage refs need to undergo proper training and job reviews by the conference. If they screw up they need to get fired or at least go on probation. With so much money riding on the sport nowadays, why not spend some on better officials? Pollard needs to push for this as a part of Big 12 reform.

Although I agree with you that the officiating has been poor, you really have no idea what you are talking about.

These guys go through a ton of training and every play is reviewed. They are scrutinized heavily.

The problem is, there just simply aren't enough good officials. It's a numbers problem as much as anything. If they start firing people after every bad performance, there would be even fewer of them. It is a case of having to make do with the numbers you have and understanding that some are better than others.

I'm not saying this to be a smartass, but another part of the problem is people aren't signing up to become officials anymore. There are a lot of smart, knowledgeable people on this board. Look into becoming an official. Find out about your local association and go to a meeting. You might find that you really enjoy it and, if you turn out to be good at it, you might be surprised how far you can go with it.

 

[CarolinaCy]

Have any of you tried to officiate a High School Football Game? let alone a NCAA Division 1 Game? Go out an officiate High School football, see how many "easy" calls you miss? 99.9% of officials are not out to screw anyone over. They are calling what they see and if they do not see the whole play, they do not call it.
Get over the Officials, they are human, the make mistakes.

How do you explain all of the replays that they are getting wrong, and not just in ISU games? I was watching the K-State/Baylor game and K-State had a fumble inside their own 10 shortly before halftime that was reviewed. It was obvious that the ball was coming out a fraction before the runner's knee hit the ground, at least it was obvious to everyone except the replay official, who ruled no fumble.

And the Reynolds catch vs. UT - at no time on the replay, from any angle, do you actually see the ball touch grass. Yet, somehow, the replay official sees something that no one else in the world could see to overturn that? Whatever.

 

[3TrueFans]

How do you explain all of the replays that they are getting wrong, and not just in ISU games? I was watching the K-State/Baylor game and K-State had a fumble inside their own 10 shortly before halftime that was reviewed. It was obvious that the ball was coming out a fraction before the runner's knee hit the ground, at least it was obvious to everyone except the replay official, who ruled no fumble.

And the Reynolds catch vs. UT - at no time on the replay, from any angle, do you actually see the ball touch grass. Yet, somehow, the replay official sees something that no one else in the world could see to overturn that? Whatever.

How do you explain them calling an extra point good when the entire free world knew it was wide left? Answer, they're just not good at their jobs.

 

[isumills]

Have any of you tried to officiate a High School Football Game? let alone a NCAA Division 1 Game? Go out an officiate High School football, see how many "easy" calls you miss? 99.9% of officials are not out to screw anyone over. They are calling what they see and if they do not see the whole play, they do not call it.
Get over the Officials, they are human, the make mistakes.

Totally agree with you on the high school portion of your comment. College we expect better because these guys are suppose to be the best at what they do. I will say that with what has been missed this season on the field, is only adding to the frustration of the fans in the stands, and is leaving a lot of plays up for more scrutiny.