*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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CycloneErik
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Lot of truth to this, especially.
I know details are different today compared to when longtime conferences formed years ago. Money, TV markets, BCS ramifications, etc. But I still think a conference needs to have some fundamental framework binding its members, that isn't driven by those things (or at least finds a longterm way to incorporate those things as fairly as possible).
Think of it this way: When/if Missouri and A&M are finally out, and TCU and WVa/UL/whoever is added to get to specified membership, what happens the next time (a) a school gets antsy and wants to leave; (b) the league looks to expand? There's no basis for what schools might be invited — it's just whoever is available, or left in the cold that might fit, and so on.
When A&M-to-SEC first came about, I read things about Big 12 considering increasing exit fees. That's saying, "We don't want to establish a league identity that make the members feel at home, or make it attractive to other schools down the line. We want to find a way to financially punish schools that want out anyway."
Ok I think you need a little bit of perspective though. You can't expect 10 different universities in different states and cultures to agree on everything. Read that article from Rivals. If you scroll to the end you'll see how he says that everyone IS working well together.
You can't take everything you hear from the media as truth. Seems to me a lot of this is blown waaaay out of proportion if true at all and other is just flat out lies. Who knows what the truth really is.... I'm guessing we will hear about 9 different versions. You can't stop people from tweeting what their "sources" say. Most of those are total bs. Messageboard rumors etc. A university or league is not going to come out and comment on every tom **** and harry's twitter posts on whether it is accurate or not.
Truth. The Poster Formally Known as ISUAggie has been busting out some good ones here lately.
On point #1- I completely agree they can't agree on everything. But what they should agree on is that they keep their collective mouths shut until a consensus is reached in order to prevent debacles such as what has played out this week. You don't see these problems in the Big 10, ACC, SEC, or Pac-12. Maybe you are on to something that the Big-12 was set up as a poor alliance of schools that just don't fit culturally, as most of these other conferences are, and that in and of itself is why they can't get along. Maybe they just will never have similar interests.
#2- What I'm saying has nothing to do with tweets and what I read on cyclone fanatic. I'm talking about public statements by AD's, and what has run on major media outlets such as ESPN, Yahoo Sports, Network News etc. They definitely have played their part in this, and I'm guessing ESPN especially has had a huge impact on all of it. What I'm talking about is the lack of unity among the schools. I don't care what the tweets say, as most of them I know are just throwing stuff against the wall, just as I'm doing now.
I agree that we all need to be selective about "sources." I prefer beat writers who follow team closely for a long time. (BTW, how come the DMR doesn't have a permanent ISU beat writer? Seems like they rotate them periodically. Anybody know why?)
But while every conference has its conflicts, the Big 12 has always stood out because it's unclear who actually SPEAKS for the conference. It's not rumors; the conference announced plans for a public invite for WVU, then it backed away. The conference issued a release about exploring the B12 Network, then some some board members say the opposite. They put their disunity on public display.
Every board, group, or committee SAYS they work well together. Judge them on whether they accomplish what they set out to do. In this case, that means inviting a new conference member quickly and decisively (like with TCU).
Personally, I would prefer the conference take some tangible move to try to hold itself together such as increase the penalty for withdrawal instead of making a meaningless claim such as "We want to create a league identity." There is no meaning to that statement. You might say the Big 10 is a Midwest conference, but Penn State belies that. You might say the Big 10 is a conference that places importance on academics, but we also know that is not true because they added Nebraska, knowing they would be booted from the AAU. You might say the SEC is a conference for schools in the Southeast, but they seem to be adding Missouri. You might say that the PAC12 is a conference for schools on the Pacific Coast, but they have four schools in states that don't border the ocean. The only BCS conferences which you might say have an "identity" are the ACC and Big East.
There is no meaning to a "league identity". What I want is a league of schools who are in geographic proximity, have a good working relationship and commitment to one another, and strong athletic programs in Football and Men's Basketball. I don't care about anything else.
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Cincy is now trying to get their Congress people to go to bat for them. Hell hath no fury for the scorned.
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Guess I just don't understand the thrill of trollin'. After reading all of Mizzoulander's crap, I thought I'd go to the MU board to try out this whole trollin' thing. Maybe get all diggety with it. Get all up in their grills about leaving.......then my eyes started bleeding.
2 points
1. Media overreacts to everything that happens. So do certain tweeters and message board posters.
2. David Boren is an idiot. He needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. I 100% believe that OU and UT want to be in the Big 12 and it is in their best interest to stay and they know that. They aren't leaving. However, every time he opens his mouth, he makes it look like the Big 12 doesn't know what it is doing which is not true. This is why negotiations and discussions shouldn't be made public. JP and GG need to teach OU a lesson on how to handle this.
1. Media overreacts to everything that happens. So do certain tweeters and message board posters.
2. David Boren is an idiot. He needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. I 100% believe that OU and UT want to be in the Big 12 and it is in their best interest to stay and they know that. They aren't leaving. However, every time he opens his mouth, he makes it look like the Big 12 doesn't know what it is doing which is not true. This is why negotiations and discussions shouldn't be made public. JP and GG need to teach OU a lesson on how to handle this.
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I have done it before, but because they still have a message board from the 1990's, it is gone real quick.. Their board is more like a chat room.
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If Missouri fans put as much effort into attending football games as you do in trying to convince of us of our demise you might not be passed over for bowl games. Just a thought.
Check out this article...I included the conclusion, but the whole this is a good read.
What exactly is the benefit of the Longhorn Network? | The Daily Texan
We’re now entering the third month of the network’s existence. It’s given us the following:
Mack Brown is frustrated, the majority of fans are left in the dark, Longhorn Network employees wish their work was visible and the local media has no new angles. Public resentment of Texas has sizzled in the past months, college football is as unstable as ever and Texas A&M is gone.
The network offers an obvious monetary perk, but only eight percent of that goes towards academia. Sounds almost like a sales tax.
So, if the Longhorn Network is merely pumping money back into a football program that doesn’t really need any more of it, and if it’s monopolized (and hiding) all the information regarding the team, and if it’s tiring the coaching staff and alienating the fan base, then we have to ask ourselves the $300 million question: What, exactly, is its benefit?
What exactly is the benefit of the Longhorn Network? | The Daily Texan
We’re now entering the third month of the network’s existence. It’s given us the following:
Mack Brown is frustrated, the majority of fans are left in the dark, Longhorn Network employees wish their work was visible and the local media has no new angles. Public resentment of Texas has sizzled in the past months, college football is as unstable as ever and Texas A&M is gone.
The network offers an obvious monetary perk, but only eight percent of that goes towards academia. Sounds almost like a sales tax.
So, if the Longhorn Network is merely pumping money back into a football program that doesn’t really need any more of it, and if it’s monopolized (and hiding) all the information regarding the team, and if it’s tiring the coaching staff and alienating the fan base, then we have to ask ourselves the $300 million question: What, exactly, is its benefit?
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