JoePa Fired/What is happening at Penn State?!?!

[temperflare]

Jesus ****ing Christ, are people at PSU and on this board in a ****ing moral fog? If you are watching the sodomy of a little boy TAKING PLACE your options are;

a. intervene
b. intervene
c. intervene
d. intervene

Essentially they told the guy in 2002 to take the child rape off campus and proceeded to do nothing about what he'd already done.

Paterno is culpable in this. The only reason not to pursue Sandusky is what Sandusky "had" on PSU. Yes Angie, this whole thing stinks from top to bottom.

I agree. At this point, I'd like to know exactly what JoPa was told. As of right now, his statement says he was told of an incident, but no details were given.

I'm not sure I believe that.

However, I can also see where this graduate assistant might not have told JoPa any details other than he saw something between Sandusky and a player that he felt was inappropriate and should be reported. We don't know WHAT the graduate assistant saw or what he told JoPa that he saw. The GA might have left details out on purpose either to protect himself or protect JoPa, maybe even protect the university. Who knows.

I'm not to the point where I'm going to roast JoPa for this. More info is needed and I'm sure we'll get it in the coming days/weeks/months.

 

[chadm]

Jesus ****ing Christ, are people at PSU and on this board in a ****ing moral fog? If you are watching the sodomy of a little boy TAKING PLACE your options are;

a. intervene
b. intervene
c. intervene
d. intervene

Essentially they told the guy in 2002 to take the child rape off campus and proceeded to do nothing about what he'd already done.

Paterno is culpable in this. The only reason not to pursue Sandusky is what Sandusky "had" on PSU. Yes Angie, this whole thing stinks from top to bottom.

^^^^^^ agree

 

[Palmer]

Good Post.

Spanier graduated from Highland Park High School (Highland Park, Illinois), and earned his bachelor's and master's degrees from Iowa State University where he was honored with the Distinguished Achievement Citation by the ISU Alumni Association in 2004.[2] He earned his Ph.D.. in sociology from Northwestern University where he was a Woodrow Wilson Fellow. While a researcher, he contributed to the publication of ten books and over 100 scholarly journal articles. As a family sociologist, demographer, and marriage and family therapist, he was the founding editor of the Journal of Family Issues.[3] Spanier was also an author of a study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior concerning the practice of mate swapping, or "swinging".[4]

Can't wait to see the spin the ISU Vision Magazine puts on it.

I highly doubt this. Don't be a ****.

 

[CyBer]

Jesus ****ing Christ, are people at PSU and on this board in a ****ing moral fog? If you are watching the sodomy of a little boy TAKING PLACE your options are;

a. intervene
b. intervene
c. intervene
d. intervene

Essentially they told the guy in 2002 to take the child rape off campus and proceeded to do nothing about what he'd already done.

Paterno is culpable in this. The only reason not to pursue Sandusky is what Sandusky "had" on PSU. Yes Angie, this whole thing stinks from top to bottom.

I agree, but you are talking about the trainer, we were talking about Joepa.

 

[TXCyclones]

Jesus ****ing Christ, are people at PSU and on this board in a ****ing moral fog? If you are watching the sodomy of a little boy TAKING PLACE your options are;

a. intervene
b. intervene
c. intervene
d. intervene

Essentially they told the guy in 2002 to take the child rape off campus and proceeded to do nothing about what he'd already done.

Paterno is culpable in this. The only reason not to pursue Sandusky is what Sandusky "had" on PSU. Yes Angie, this whole thing stinks from top to bottom.

I don't know how the Grad Assistant can live with himself. He was a grown man. He should have pi**-pounded Sandusky and saved that child the second he saw that rather than run like a ***** out of the building. The Grad Assisstant should have called the cops - period. When he chose to run to Paterno it set in motion the actions that take place in any/every corporation - elevate the concern to your superior.

One of the more disgusting things just reported this morning - Sandusky was working out at the Penn State facilities just last week still.

 

[weR138]

I agree, but you are talking about the trainer, we were talking about Joepa.

In 2002 when they kicked Sandusky off campus Paterno knew he was kicked off and he knew why. Don't bother trying to run some lawyerese bull**** stating no one knows what Paterno knew. Do you think even if he wasn't informed of Sandusky's actions he wouldn't ask, "Hey, why'd you kick Jerry off campus?"

 

[Palmer]

I don't know how the Grad Assistant can live with himself. He was a grown man. He should have pi**-pounded Sandusky and saved that child the second he saw that rather than run like a ***** out of the building. The Grad Assisstant should have called the cops - period. When he chose to run to Paterno it set in motion the actions that take place in any/every corporation - elevate the concern to your superior.

One of the more disgusting things just reported this morning - Sandusky was working out at the Penn State facilities just last week still.

That Grad Asst is that red-headed assist coach on the sidelines currently. He should resign as well. Disgusting.

They do it right at Pedo State Univ...

 

[MNCyGuy]

In 2002 when they kicked Sandusky off campus Paterno knew he was kicked off and he knew why. Don't bother trying to run some lawyerese bull**** stating no one knows what Paterno knew. Do you think even if he wasn't informed of Sandusky's actions he wouldn't ask, "Hey, why'd you kick Jerry off campus?"

The only thing I can think of, and I'm not entirely sure I believe it helps JoePa's case or not, is that at that point somebody in the administration told him that an investigation was under way and under control and that any further action by Paterno could interfere with the process. That seems possible and would explain why Paterno is not an investigation target (other than the cynical explanation that he won't get prosecuted solely because he's Joe Paterno).

 

[CyBer]

In 2002 when they kicked Sandusky off campus Paterno knew he was kicked off and he knew why. Don't bother trying to run some lawyerese bull**** stating no one knows what Paterno knew. Do you think even if he wasn't informed of Sandusky's actions he wouldn't ask, "Hey, why'd you kick Jerry off campus?"

Not what I was talking about at all.

 

[chuckd4735]

Here's a related question:

In your place of work, if you observe blatant sexual harassment but were neither party directly involved what is your company's policy?

Is it:

A. Call the cops
B. Report to an immediate supervisor
C. Wait to let the harassed individual report
D. Say nothing since it wasn't you




My place of work (a University): B

I dont really care what my companies policy is. If I see someone getting raped, I'm pretty confident the last thing that would pop in my head would be "I should go review the employee handbook".

 

[Palmer]

Wonder if the Big10 will start producing more of those "character" and "leadership" commercials on their network?

 

[MNCyGuy]

I dont really care what my companies policy is. If I see someone getting raped, I'm pretty confident the last thing that would pop in my head would be "I should go review the employee handbook".

Not to mention that rape is way different than harassment. Harassment would be more of a civil court issue and I could see the possibility of someone misinterpreting something they see as harassment when it's not. If you see a rape, especially of a child, I've got to think you know right away.

The grad assistant just bugs me. Even if he in his heart believed that bringing it to Paterno was the best way to handle it, wouldn't it start to dawn on him that nothing was being done when nobody from law enforcement comes to ask for a statement on what he saw?

 

[Angie]

That Grad Asst is that red-headed assist coach on the sidelines currently. He should resign as well. Disgusting.

They do it right at Pedo State Univ...

It makes it seem like he was given a job for his silence. Probably/hopefully not the truth, but it sure looks bad.

 

[CyBer]

Time to fire everyone at Penn State and hire all new people.

 

[weR138]

By not doing the right thing PSU has caused people to wonder why they didn't. It's not hard to imagine Sandusky had a "get out of jail free" card of some sort.

 

[cyclone13]

And let's face it, in our society, the messenger always gets backlash and blacklisted. I have seen it time and time again. I don't see anything wrong with the GA calling his father for advice; dad, I saw this, who do I tell? Let's be real here, being a whistleblower usually ends a career.

+1. Unless he had a a chance to take picture (and he didn't - remember this one was in the late 1990s).

When you deal with powerful people, you need to be careful. Someone mentioned a case about the person who recorded Dave Bliss' conversation and now is blacklisted in the MBB Community.
Jan Gangelhoff (sp ?): who was a whistleblower @ the U of Minnesota basketball scandal was still despised until she passed away not so long ago despite doing the right thing.
In other professions: Sherron Watkins (Enron) and Collen Rowley (FBI) are the two examples that their professional careers ended after being whistleblower.
GA did the right thing and his Dad did the right thing.

 

[cyclone13]

I dont really care what my companies policy is. If I see someone getting raped, I'm pretty confident the last thing that would pop in my head would be "I should go review the employee handbook".

In a public setting, yes. But let's be realistic: what will you do if you are the only witness and the rapist is an extremely powerful person ?

I am not saying that doing nothing is the right thing: it's definitely wrong. But we know that things don't operate in "ideal" situation.

 

[weR138]

+1. Unless he had a a chance to take picture (and he didn't - remember this one was in the late 1990s).

When you deal with powerful people, you need to be careful. Someone mentioned a case about the person who recorded Dave Bliss' conversation and now is blacklisted in the MBB Community.
Jan Gangelhoff (sp ?): who was a whistleblower @ the U of Minnesota basketball scandal was still despised until she passed away not so long ago despite doing the right thing.
In other professions: Sherron Watkins (Enron) and Collen Rowley (FBI) are the two examples that their professional careers ended after being whistleblower.
GA did the right thing and his Dad did the right thing.

Yeah, it's better to not pursue child rape in favor of your career. I wonder why they kicked Sandusky off campus in 2002?

 

[TXCyclones]

+1. Unless he had a a chance to take picture (and he didn't - remember this one was in the late 1990s).

When you deal with powerful people, you need to be careful. Someone mentioned a case about the person who recorded Dave Bliss' conversation and now is blacklisted in the MBB Community.
Jan Gangelhoff (sp ?): who was a whistleblower @ the U of Minnesota basketball scandal was still despised until she passed away not so long ago despite doing the right thing.
In other professions: Sherron Watkins (Enron) and Collen Rowley (FBI) are the two examples that their professional careers ended after being whistleblower.
GA did the right thing and his Dad did the right thing.

My point stands - I don't know how the GA has lived w/ the guilt of not intervening. And if he used your twisted logic above I hope that he's been doubly-plagued by guilt.

 

[FarminCy]

+1. Unless he had a a chance to take picture (and he didn't - remember this one was in the late 1990s).

When you deal with powerful people, you need to be careful. Someone mentioned a case about the person who recorded Dave Bliss' conversation and now is blacklisted in the MBB Community.
Jan Gangelhoff (sp ?): who was a whistleblower @ the U of Minnesota basketball scandal was still despised until she passed away not so long ago despite doing the right thing.
In other professions: Sherron Watkins (Enron) and Collen Rowley (FBI) are the two examples that their professional careers ended after being whistleblower.
GA did the right thing and his Dad did the right thing.

You can't be serious can you. Doing the right thing would have been stopping the rape, kicking the crap out of the pervert and taking the boy directly to the police. All things he could have and should have done.

Looking the other way and go report it your superiors so you feel better is not the right thing. NO ONE in this whole thing did any thing right, including Joe Pa. A child was witnessed being raped and not one person went to the police about it. I don't know how anyone can defend this as they did the right thing. If I saw a boss of mine raping a 10 year old boy you are damn right I am going directly to the cops about it, regardless if I am blacklisted or not. I could not sleep at night knowing what I had witnessed and didn't act on it.