JoePa Fired/What is happening at Penn State?!?!

CYlent Bob

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I wanted to give myself a few days to ruminate on this whole ****storm before I commented, but I think I have finally come to a decision on how Penn State should handle this whole thing.

Forfeit the rest of your season. In the offseason, discharge the entire football & athletic administration staff, and award every football player at Penn State academic scholarships to finish their educations and/or see that they are granted releases and the ability to play immediately at another school if they want to continue playing football.

Sometime in December, start soliciting demolition contractors to perform demolition work on the football stadium, the football coaching offices, the athletic administration office building, and any ****ing building on campus with so much as a picture of Joe Paterno in the entryway.

Tear it all down, cover it back over with sod, and then drop to your knees and pray like you've never prayed before that God will forgive you for facilitating the theft of innocence and the rape of children.

That might help "smooth over" the situation.
 
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I realize it won't be popular, but I'd also struggle to call the police on something I didn't personally witness. I realize how serious the allegations are, but without seeing something with my own eyes it'd be difficult for me to not just follow my SOP. It isn't his job to initiate the investigation, it's his superiors' jobs.

If it was my kid, different story, but in the event of being told by a GA or something, I'm not sure I'd call 911. I'd report it immediately to my superiors and follow up and make sure I was satisfied with what I heard. If not, THEN I'd go to police because obviously something is up.

Really? Your kid is more important than someone else's kid? Again, just by reporting this doesn't mean the guy is convicted. It means that an investigation would occur. It would suck if the guy was innocent, but still.

This guy was investigated by Penn State 3 years prior to the 2002 incident. And Paterno was told by the GA that something sexual was happening with Scandusky. It wasn't like the GA told Paterno that he found Sandusky and a child alone in the locker room at night. That would be odd and would be concerning to a normal person, but I could understand not knowing what to do with that information. Paterno was told that something sexual was happening. By a credible source.

You go to the freaking police, period. Again this isn't some slightly off man that makes you feel a little odd. This is a man who was observed doing horrible things to people.

The one lesson that I hope we all learn from this is that we have to protect kids. Sandusky was allowed for 10 years to do what he wanted between the 2002 incident and when he got arrested. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that there was decades of abuse.

I felt a tiny bit sorry for Paterno when he came out to address the students. But that doesn't matter. Being forced to retire and have a tarnished reputation is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Legacy doesn't matter. What matters is that it appears there are many, many people who were abused in the most awful way.

It appears to me that the Penn State officials hoped that if they ignored this it would go away. I am not sure how any of them sleep at night.
 

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I would take it to my superior. And then when I saw nothing was being done about it, I would take it farther. Period.

I can't defend Joe Pa or Penn St. But just like conference realignment we don't know the facts. For all we know Joe went to the administrators several times and was told to mind his own business or leave the school. They may have told him it's already been taken care of and the athourities have been notified. I don't see it as the coaches responsibility to call the cops.
 

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I can't defend Joe Pa or Penn St. But just like conference realignment we don't know the facts. For all we know Joe went to the administrators several times and was told to mind his own business or leave the school. They may have told him it's already been taken care of and the athourities have been notified. I don't see it as the coaches responsibility to call the cops.


Why wouldn't you call the cops if you thought a law was being broken?
 

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Why wouldn't you call the cops if you thought a law was being broken?

Unless I have seen something personally or REALLY trust the person telling me, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable calling in the police.
 

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Unless I have seen something personally or REALLY trust the person telling me, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable calling in the police.

Would the preceding 4 years of investigation make you more comfortable? I'm just curious.

I would call the police to get this thing cleared up, whatever the story is. But I've never been much of a career guy.
 
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You wouldn't call the poilce if you saw your best friend raping a ten year old boy or girl?
 

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Unless I have seen something personally or REALLY trust the person telling me, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable calling in the police.

I agree with this to an extent. Obviously, the fact he was already being investigated makes the situation less "black and white". Frankly, the cops would be much more likely to act receiving a statement from the person that actually saw the act. The GA should have gone to the cops or Joe Paterno urged him to do so while he reported up the administrative line to document within the system.
 

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why wouldn't you intervene if you saw a child being raped?
That's why I think the GA that witnessed it with his own eyes and did nothing but tell his supervisor is probably more disgusting than Paterno in this. The GA had first hand, eye witness information, whereas Paterno was hearing about it second hand.

Even untrue accusations of raping a child could very easily destroy someone's life, if I had second hand knowledge of something happening in the shower with a young child I would want to be damn sure it was true before I started getting police involved. Of course I wouldn't just kick the can up the road like Paterno unfortunately did, I would be all over someone making sure it got taken care of.
 

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why wouldn't you intervene if you saw a child being raped?


I agree.....they are all at fault. The GA, the coach, the AD, the president. All of them failed and didn't do the right thing. All of them deserve tough questions. I don't fault anyone more than anyone else. But just because many people failed the system doesn't make it any less awful.
 
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IcSyU

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Would the preceding 4 years of investigation make you more comfortable? I'm just curious.

I would call the police to get this thing cleared up, whatever the story is. But I've never been much of a career guy.
That's where it gets murky. He's under investigation, you call police,

"Yeah, just had someone tell me he's raping a kid. It isn't first hand but the guy telling me wouldn't lie I don't think?"

Like I said, if it was someone I really trusted I wouldn't hesitate to involve law enforcement. If coming second hand I'm a bit leery...especially if said person has anything to gain or could just simply be throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks.
You wouldn't call the poilce if you saw your best friend raping a ten year old boy or girl?

I don't think anyone has claimed they wouldn't.
 

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Enough to make your blood boil...(just read grand jury report) If I had witnessed these events, that pedo would have had his skull kicked in. No excuse!!! run off and tell your supervisor!!!!! How bout tackle the sum ***** to the ground and curb stomp him. Sorry for the rant but the world has no place for people like that. Straight to the gallows when the due process of law has been accompished
 
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Makes me think that damage control people (probably) exist in all big time programs. And that the GA, coach, AAD, etc. were (probably) horrified but felt that they had to follow standard operating procedures to protect the team (or their jobs) ...

I agree.....they are all at fault. The GA, the coach, the AD, the president. All of them failed and didn't do the right thing. All of them deserve tough questions. I don't fault anyone more than anyone else. But just because many people failed the system doesn't make it any less awful.
 
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IcSyU

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That is what I took it as, sorry if I misunderstood.

I think everyone on this board will agree that if they saw it, there would
a) be a serious *** kicking and
b) law enforcement and the coroner involved.