JoePa Fired/What is happening at Penn State?!?!

[FarminCy]

How can anyone say Paterno didn't do the right thing. No one here knows what McQueary told him. For all we know McQueary said that Sandusky had a kid in the shower and was screwing around with him. That sounds a lot different than Sandusky was in the show with a kid and was screwing him.

However, if the words rape, sodomy, or anything like that was used in the conversation between McQueary, his dad, and Paterno, then Joe Pa should be strung up. If that was not relayed Joe Pa did the right thing and forwarded what minimal information he was given. Also, if it was only minimal info Paterno was given, and the AD told him it was investigated and cleared why would Paterno not believe that?

No way McQueary didn't tell his dad what he saw. And i'm not sure if he told JoePa the full details but I have a hard time believing you describe a kid getting anal raped as "screwing around in the shower".

I am starting to think that there is a connection to McQueary being the wide receivers coach and never coming forward to anyone else about this. If Sandusky was at the football facilities as much as the reports say McQueary and him ran into each other alot after the incident. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks he got promised promotions to keep quiet about everything.

 

[temperflare]

I find it hard to believe that McQueary brought this information to JoePa in such a vague manner that JoePa did not know something criminal had happened. Keep up the JoePa worship though, he's obviously a stellar example of moral integrity.

Worship? Its called giving him the benefit of the doubt, which quite a few people feel he deserves. That isn't worship, that's just common decency.

If/when it comes out that JoPa KNEW that Sandusky was molesting boys I'll be wanting him fired just like the rest of you pitchfork and torch carrying people.

But if the GA says he didn't give JoPa any details beyond him seeing something inappropriate happening between Sandusky and a player then who will you be looking to hang? Without enough information, why would JoPa assume something as heinous as what actually occurred happened? And why would he be okay with the guy still being allowed on campus? It doesn't make sense.

Keep in mind, that quite a few people though Pelini yelling at T. Martinez on the sidelines of a game last year was considered "inappropriate". It could very well be that something like that is what JoPa thought the GA was talking about when it was brought to his attention. WE DON'T KNOW. I think he would have handled it much differently had he known (as we all would have), and that is why I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and not taking part in the gross ignorance being displayed in this thread.

 

[HOTDON]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

I really hope that he gets booed at his final home football game this weekend. Unfortunately the PSU homers will probably just cheer him on in spite of everything staring them in the face.

Well, based on the hundreds of students rallying outside his home to show their support, I wouldn't expect that. Sickening, given that there has been no question that he chose not to contact authorities. By not taking the proper steps with the information, he was condoning the behavior.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Another thing that makes me sick is that McQueary witnessed it, kept his mouth shut, and ended up getting an assistant coaching job out of it. I know I am thinking the worst here, but it seems like he benefited from keeping his mouth shut. Just sickening.

How could Paterno see McQueary every day for the past 9 years and not think about that day.

And seriously, why the eff did they keep it quiet. Sandusky wasn't coaching there any longer. Yes it would have tarnished Sanduskys legacy, but now it has damned Paterno, and Penn State as well. They had to know that someone could possibly come forward in the future and I can't believe they were stupid enough to not consider that Sandusky would do that to another kid in the future.

As a father of two little boys it makes me literally want to vomit.

 

[Wesley]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

Yeah.... Too bad he has to go out like this, but he knew better. What a terrible story.

The young man is only 84. He could have coached till he was a hundred.

 

[TXCyclones]

You have no idea what he has been doing for decades, nor does anyone else on this board.

I guess I am a self-righteous idiot as you called it, but there is no question he knew something was going on. Using the "protocol" arguement is hilarious. In my position I am made aware of issues (nothing nearly as serious as this) and I follow the protocol AND follow up on my own.

By your logic the old cop out that the Nazi's "only followed orders" was a valid excuse for what happened. Hell, they followed protocol!

I am not calling for the man to be "strung up", but this situation clearly shows that all of the respect that this guy seems be getting from world is undeserved. Hell, you heard more about how sad it was for Paterno to go out like this than you heard about the victims until recently. That is asinine. In my personal opinion, anyone related to this program during the time that these incidents occurred shouldn't be anywhere near the football field this weekend.

In fact, I do know what Paterno has done for the community as well as the state of PA having lived there for some time in the 90's. Your analogy is pretty poor as the Nazi's SAW what they were doing while following those orders. Paterno HEARD an accusation. Those are very different.

Beyond this, how do you know that Paterno didn't follow up and ask about it? How do you know he wasn't told that it was dealt with and there's nothing to it? You don't. So, yes, I'd say based on what you know and don't know that you're being a bit self-righteous.

 

[benjay]

BS. Paterno told the grand jury that he told the AD that Sandusky had been seen "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature" with a boy in the showers. So we know for a fact that Paterno should have known something really bad happened.

So let's not pretend JoePa didn't 100% know that what occured in his lockerroom. He knew the basic details of what happened and didn't do anything about it besides tell his boss.

The Paterno worshippers will never understand why we have such a problem with how JoePa handled the situation. I guess the minimum required action is good enough. Tell that the the boys who were raped between 2002 and 2011.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

What will be disgusting is when JoPed gets cheered by the home crowd when he wobbles onto the field.

They were at his house cheering for him. He came out and said a few words and talked about the Nebraska game. Really Joe Pa? Your thoughts are on the Nebraska game? Really Penn State fans? Your ok with what is going on at Pedophile State University and only concerned about the game on Saturday?

The story is sick. The lack of response at the time of the crimes is sick. The coverup for nearly the past decade is sick. What really gets me fuming ****** is that all these idiots out there only care about 1 thing.... the next game. Stay classy Penn State students and fans!

 

[Wesley]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

Well, based on the hundreds of students rallying outside his home to show their support, I wouldn't expect that. Sickening, given that there has been no question that he chose not to contact authorities. By not taking the proper steps with the information, he was condoning the behavior.

Was not Sandusky suppose to be the heir apparent one time to Jo pa?

 

[3TrueFans]

Hindsight is always 20/20.

 

[MNCyGuy]

Five days? Not to pick nits here, but it's actually been nine freakin' years since this incident happened. And thirteen years since a similar charge was brought up. I wouldn't say that anyone is rushing to conclusions here.

I was unaware that you were part of the investigation team and were aware of all the details before it was first reported publicly this weekend. Would you mind enlightening us with your inside knowledge?

Obviously the longer everything drags on the less of a leg Paterno has to stand on. I am just of the opinion that we are still in the window where it becomes a different story if, IF, Paterno is allowed to speak publicly and says something to the effect of, "I was told by the administration that an investigation was being performed. Obviously this was not true. This is not the Penn State that I loved and I will be stepping down from my position."

Obviously a lot of you have already shut that window and will probably never re-open. It's an emotional issue and I understand that response, I just don't really agree with it.

 

[HILLCYD]

In fact, I do know what Paterno has done for the community as well as the state of PA having lived there for some time in the 90's. Your analogy is pretty poor as the Nazi's SAW what they were doing while following those orders. Paterno HEARD an accusation. Those are very different.

Beyond this, how do you know that Paterno didn't follow up and ask about it?How do you know he wasn't told that it was dealt with and there's nothing to it? You don't. So, yes, I'd say based on what you know and don't know that you're being a bit self-righteous.

because it took until 2011 until someone was in jail.

 

[Wesley]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

Let the Ferentz rumors begin.

KFCwill exit stage right on 11-11-11 for $5M and save the program and go Rose Bowl within three years.

 

[MNCyGuy]

because it took until 2011 until someone was in jail.

Also all those reports out there that nobody was lying to him about an investigation. And that thorough public statement Paterno has been allowed to make about it. Oh wait...

 

[CYlent Bob]

Worship? Its called giving him the benefit of the doubt, which quite a few people feel he deserves. That isn't worship, that's just common decency.

If/when it comes out that JoPa KNEW that Sandusky was molesting boys I'll be wanting him fired just like the rest of you pitchfork and torch carrying people.

But if the GA says he didn't give JoPa any details beyond him seeing something inappropriate happening between Sandusky and a player then who will you be looking to hang? Without enough information, why would JoPa assume something as heinous as what actually occurred happened? And why would he be okay with the guy still being allowed on campus? It doesn't make sense.

Keep in mind, that quite a few people though Pelini yelling at T. Martinez on the sidelines of a game last year was considered "inappropriate". It could very well be that something like that is what JoPa thought the GA was talking about when it was brought to his attention. WE DON'T KNOW. I think he would have handled it much differently had he known (as we all would have), and that is why I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and not taking part in the gross ignorance being displayed in this thread.

You're removing the relevant context from the situation. Coach Sandusky was NOT a first offender in 2002. There were already allegations from 1998 that he was doing "sexually inappropriate" things with young boys. If JoePa wants to plead Alzheimers and say he didn't remember that prior incident in 2002, then MAYBE I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

And on behalf of the "pitchfork & torch" carrying mob: Demands for accountability are NOT the same a physically marching to JoePa's house and hanging him from the nearest tree. If you can't see that, then there's no use continuing our conversation here.

 

[FarminCy]

In fact, I do know what Paterno has done for the community as well as the state of PA having lived there for some time in the 90's. Your analogy is pretty poor as the Nazi's SAW what they were doing while following those orders. Paterno HEARD an accusation. Those are very different.

Beyond this, how do you know that Paterno didn't follow up and ask about it? How do you know he wasn't told that it was dealt with and there's nothing to it? You don't. So, yes, I'd say based on what you know and don't know that you're being a bit self-righteous.

Sandusky had also done alot of things for the community as well. Look what he turned out to be.

 

[Wesley]

ESPN just changed his name to JoePat on the radio.....

 

[Cyclonepride]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

These allegations are far more serious than any athletic issues ever punished, and well beyond the purview of the NCAA. There is no way that he should step on the field again.

As far as Penn State goes, I don't think they will get any sanctions after everyone with any knowledge of the events is terminated, but I can't imagine that there won't be some serious damage to their school and its athletic programs for a few years at least.

 

[HILLCYD]

Sandusky had also done alot of things for the community as well. Look what he turned out to be.

So did the BTK killer.

 

[jbindm]

Re: Paterno to retire at seasons end

KFCwill exit stage right on 11-11-11 for $5M and save the program and go Rose Bowl within three years.

I would love for this to happen just to see the meltdown on the Hok message boards, but I can't even begin to guess what kind of financial package PSU would have to throw at Ferentz for him to even listen. Why leave an exorbitantly high paying job where your fans deify you for consistently winning nine games and going to a mid major bowl every year regardless of preseason expectations for a program wallowing in a sex abuse scandal? I just don't see it happening.