I only have two problems and both are easily fixed
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Yes if you want to say that the turnovers were the difference I'd agree. However, I wouldn't claim that Mizzou takes care of the ball and ISU doesn't when the TO's were 15-12.
Also I remember you saying Scotty typically shoots better than he did tonight. Couldn't that be just as much of the difference? Or the fact that most of O went thru Royce for the first 30 min and not the last 10? I was simply pointing out that you claim Mizzou takes such good care of the ball yet they had some ridiculous TO's as well and turned it over almost as many times as we did. I found that statement a little off is all
Scotty did this several times as well, to me the game came down to the same thing as the first game. Mizzou's guards outplaying ours, nothing to get too worried about though, Mizzou probably has the best backcourt in the nation, and we hung in with them despite our guards being basically a no show. Royce was dominating, I think its fair to question why he didn't have the ball in hands down the stretch and its also reasonable to question why a guy who had struggled all night did. Seems like a no brainer to stick with what had been working, especially when its your best player. I'm not calling Fred out but its tough to see why we didn't go through Royce late.
This is spot on, I swear we have more 5-7 point swings than any team in the country. This backfires on us every now and then but as a whole for the season we've come out way ahead. As a fan its both frustrating and exciting, there's always that feeling that they can blow a lead at any time but at the same time you know they can wipe out leads in no time. Sure handcuffing guys like Scotty or Chris Allen may get you better shots but you're also not going to get the big games from them that we've seen the last 2 months.
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Sorry dude if I went off. Missouri is the most efficient team in college basketball in terms of scoring. I just heard this today. They average nearly 1.5 points per possession...or something like that. Look at tonight's game. They were 1.2 ppp with only four 3pt (I would guess their lowest total this year) compared to .86 for us. That's a direct correlation to shot selection and turnover rate in combination.
Put the numbers aside. I can tell you what I saw. I saw some very questionable shots for us that MU didn't take. I'd also like to see the tennis comparable to unforced turnovers. I don't remember MU just giving possessions away like we're prone to do and did tonight. Turnovers aren't all bad. If you're aggressive putting pressure on the defense, that's one thing. Unforced turnovers have hurt us. That's what I'm trying to say.
Mizzou has like 6 seniors or something, their only underclassmen that plays is the younger Pressey. Their experience showed in both games against us, they take such good care of the ball that you're not going to get cheap buckets against them and they take advantage off nearly every chance you give them.
I agree that these are problems, but they aren't that easily fixed. These are things that can only be fixed through coaching. If the coach isn't focusing on shot selection in practice, and constantly reacting to bad decisions, the team will never change it's habits.
A player can work on his shot on his own, but it takes coaching to change his shot selection. Players don't normally take shots if they don't think they can make them. They need a coach to drill it into them that a shot is "bad", so that when the opportunity to take that shot comes, they don't even think about it, it's just second nature to not take the shot.
So working under the premise that it takes coaching to change a team's decision making, you are left with two possibilities.
1. Fred doesn't think the team is making too many bad decisions, or
2. Fred is trying to fix the number of bad decisions the team is making but hasn't found a coaching method that works with this group of players.
A player can work on his shot on his own, but it takes coaching to change his shot selection. Players don't normally take shots if they don't think they can make them. They need a coach to drill it into them that a shot is "bad", so that when the opportunity to take that shot comes, they don't even think about it, it's just second nature to not take the shot.
So working under the premise that it takes coaching to change a team's decision making, you are left with two possibilities.
1. Fred doesn't think the team is making too many bad decisions, or
2. Fred is trying to fix the number of bad decisions the team is making but hasn't found a coaching method that works with this group of players.
In the 2nd half Mizzou didn't have as many ? TO's, but you have to remember the needless alley oop/ Lob attempts that went nowhere in the first half by them. There were only a few head scratchers in the 2nd half and in the final 10 mins when the game was being won they did only turn it over once or twice. I believe they had 10 TO's with 10 mins left or pretty close.
I have to agree that we don't value possessions as much as we should, but the reason we lost this game was transition defense. And mainly from ejim and white/booker not getting back to the middle before there guards were going in for easy uncontested layups. Which should have also been slowed down by our guards actually picking up the basketball at 25 ft and slowing them down instead of letting them get a full head of steam into the lane. I know that is mizzou's game and they are really good at it, but I just think we are a better team, especially in the half court. Fix transition defense and we win that game by 15+.
Good point...but they kind of go hand in hand. We missed 41 shots and turned the ball over 15 times. You're right...that gives MU just what they want...to convert those into transition buckets. It's almost impossible to beat them unless you shoot a high percentage. They kill you on your misses.
And don't forget someone mentioned the Dutch!! And it hasn't been brought up yet the ridiculous and frivolous charging calls that refs always make.
Seriously, we don't match up well with Mizzou this year. And making us pay for some bad plays is what Mizzou did. A lesser team would let us get away with some mistakes.
