If Big 12 expands to 12, who do you pick if ACC is off the table?
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I've made the case for Kentucky before. I imagine the SEC is off-limits given the new Champions bowl, though.
What about "if ACC is off the table" do you guys who are suggesting FSU not understand?
If we had to expand, and the SEC/ACC/BigTen/PAC teams are not in play, I would want BYU to be one of the teams. They're a national brand that might increase the overall pie, and they're a big-time program that frankly deserves better than independence/Olympic sports in the West Coast Conference. If we had to have one more after that to make it an even 12, I'd pick Louisville.
I like 10 though, and maybe if we can hold out long enough, the SEC/ACC will realize that 14-16 teams is just ridiculous and will go back to 10 each with the leftovers forming their own conference with old Big East teams. We could be setting a trend without even realizing it.
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The Big 10 hasnt gone to nine yet. They cancelled the idea of every team playing one each season from their sister conference. It made the schedule too tough. Look at the rankings right now, Louisville is top 20 with an easy schedule.
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Yep...and I'm sticking to it. In order for me to eat my words we need to get to 2014 without it happening.
Does the downfall at Penn State benefit Rutgers as a FB program? Penn State has always gone into New Jersey and taken most of the top recruits. If that changes Rutgers might continue the improvement they have shown over the last decade. Some of their other strengths:
Strong academics - I believe they are an AAU institution
Excellent location - Hard to beat NYC for a media market
Recruiting -NJ produces some good talent
Facilities - I believe they are expanding their stadium and could probably use the Giants new stadium if they had to when Oklahoma or Texas role into town.
Unless there is something I am missing I would put them at the top of my list.
Strong academics - I believe they are an AAU institution
Excellent location - Hard to beat NYC for a media market
Recruiting -NJ produces some good talent
Facilities - I believe they are expanding their stadium and could probably use the Giants new stadium if they had to when Oklahoma or Texas role into town.
Unless there is something I am missing I would put them at the top of my list.
The Pac 12 is already at a 9-game conference schedule, and the Big 10 will more than likely be adding the 9th game soon. When the Pac 12/Big 10 series was proposed, the Big 10 decided to stay at 8 conference games so the schedule would not include 10-11 BCS teams for each school. The Pac 12 schools were not happy with that decision since they were already at 9 conference games and would essentially be playing one more BCS school each year then the Big 10 schools. That was the reason the talks on the Big 10/Pac 12 series stalled.
You are right on Pac 12, if the others follow suit, then the playing field is level.
we will stay at 10 unless somehow forced via Playoffs, Conference championship game. What sucks is the 2 teams that we bring in have to get us 40-50 million more just to break even. I don't really see that happening with the teams that are left. Every conference has created huge buyouts and now Notre Dame is off the table.
BYU is about the closest thing we have left to get. So it would have to be a team like BYU, L'ville, SF, Rutgers etc....And that is one crazy footprint.
BYU is about the closest thing we have left to get. So it would have to be a team like BYU, L'ville, SF, Rutgers etc....And that is one crazy footprint.
I would pick Louisville and either byu or rutgers. But first, i would wait and see how playoff money is divided. I suspect none of those teams is worth expansion once that is determined. I would pick several teams before Cincinnati, who isn't even the most popular team in its own city.
Big 12 is stuck at 9 for the forseeable future and adding a championship game doesn't matter because we're getting paid right now to not have it. Don't add teams just to add teams. Give Iowa State their ~$25,000,000 annually and screw cutting that to $22,000,000 to add anyone else.
Rutgers and Louisville.
Go back to 6-team divisions (ISU, KSU, KU, RU, LV, WVU in north) and 8-team conf. schedule with play-off.
For non-conf. schedule, continue series with IA, add a SEC opponent (MSU, VU, or KY; home-on-home series) and then 2 gimme's (such as WIU; end series with N. IA because a no-win situation plus a poor market for TV) that are not home-on-home. With a decent team, such as we have this year, we should be able to get at least a 7-win season (3 non-conf, 3 in division, 1 conf in south division). Also, 10 of the 12 games would have a fairly high and desirable regional interest for TV.
Go back to 6-team divisions (ISU, KSU, KU, RU, LV, WVU in north) and 8-team conf. schedule with play-off.
For non-conf. schedule, continue series with IA, add a SEC opponent (MSU, VU, or KY; home-on-home series) and then 2 gimme's (such as WIU; end series with N. IA because a no-win situation plus a poor market for TV) that are not home-on-home. With a decent team, such as we have this year, we should be able to get at least a 7-win season (3 non-conf, 3 in division, 1 conf in south division). Also, 10 of the 12 games would have a fairly high and desirable regional interest for TV.
I like the 10 team format as is. The only downside to that would be the 9 game conference schedule in football which doesn't help the Clones much besides give them a top ten sos each year. If I had to pick 2 teams it would be louisville and cincy, they aren't powerhouses but not bottomfeeders either
At this point in time with the pick-up of West Virginia, I would rather stick to the east side of the US and not move any farther west. We would end of being the Big East geographically with San Diego traveling all the way actross to Syracuse to play a game (BYU to West Virginia).
With that, if we could pick-up any two teams (not ACC), my favorites are:
From the Big East - Louisville, Rutgers, Cinci, South Florida
From the west - BYU, New Mexico, Colorado St, Air Force
With that, if we could pick-up any two teams (not ACC), my favorites are:
From the Big East - Louisville, Rutgers, Cinci, South Florida
From the west - BYU, New Mexico, Colorado St, Air Force
BYU & Louisville.
BYU is by far the best brand out there.
After that the top of the Big East is pretty equal brand-wise in football. So we go to projections:
UL has
- Elite facilities
- Huge budgets AND OPERATE IN THE BLACK
- Elite Hoops
- No local pro competition
- Are the clear #2 in their state but are certainly the equal of #1 in most areas
- Fits geographically
- Easy to fly to
- Will have admin support in all sports
Tough for Rutgers, UConn, Cincy, or the others to beat that.
BYU is by far the best brand out there.
After that the top of the Big East is pretty equal brand-wise in football. So we go to projections:
UL has
- Elite facilities
- Huge budgets AND OPERATE IN THE BLACK
- Elite Hoops
- No local pro competition
- Are the clear #2 in their state but are certainly the equal of #1 in most areas
- Fits geographically
- Easy to fly to
- Will have admin support in all sports
Tough for Rutgers, UConn, Cincy, or the others to beat that.
