This is false. Washington is third on the team in tackles and he isn't soft. If you want to defend Gage, that's fine, I didn't think he was awful but spewing ******** about Washington being soft is just false.
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This is false. Washington is third on the team in tackles and he isn't soft. If you want to defend Gage, that's fine, I didn't think he was awful but spewing ******** about Washington being soft is just false.
You do know Washington is a free safety and he and Givens/Gage play different positions right?
This is a good example of why I should have just let you guys go on and on about something you really didn't pay close enough attention to during the game. I already watched the game a second time and slowed things down on most plays. You guys really don't have a clue and that's why I told you to go back and actually watch the safeties.
BTW when you are playing cover two, both safeties have the same responsibilities. ISU doesn't roll the strong safety up to a typical strong safety position. He is usually lined up in a cover 2 or cover 4 look in which Washington and the other safety have their side of the field and the same responsibilities.
Washington does make the dbackfield calls though. PS. I don't care how many tackles either one is listed for. Tackles mean nothing if you aren't tackling people where you should. Washington jumps on backs at the end of plays. He does it all the time. He rarely makes a true "good" tackle that most good safeties make, in other words, not 10 yards down field.
Good example, the juco corner stokes had 7 tackles in one game earlier this year because he kept giving up easy catches in front of him and then got in on the tackle. Yeah, impressive.
You guys haven't even focused on each of the players play and are commenting on it from watching it once. Hell, even coaches know better than that. That's why Rhoads always says he needs to watch the tape before evaluating play.
Why don't you take his advice?
This is a good example of why I should have just let you guys go on and on about something you really didn't pay close enough attention to during the game. I already watched the game a second time and slowed things down on most plays. You guys really don't have a clue and that's why I told you to go back and actually watch the safeties.
BTW when you are playing cover two, both safeties have the same responsibilities. ISU doesn't roll the strong safety up to a typical strong safety position. He is usually lined up in a cover 2 or cover 4 look in which Washington and the other safety have their side of the field and the same responsibilities.
Washington does make the dbackfield calls though. PS. I don't care how many tackles either one is listed for. Tackles mean nothing if you aren't tackling people where you should. Washington jumps on backs at the end of plays. He does it all the time. He rarely makes a true "good" tackle that most good safeties make, in other words, not 10 yards down field.
Good example, the juco corner stokes had 7 tackles in one game earlier this year because he kept giving up easy catches in front of him and then got in on the tackle. Yeah, impressive.
You guys haven't even focused on each of the players play and are commenting on it from watching it once. Hell, even coaches know better than that. That's why Rhoads always says he needs to watch the tape before evaluating play.
Why don't you take his advice?
I've watched it three times as well thanks. Now you are talking in circles. If Washington didn't want to tackle, he wouldn't be third on the team in tackles. If he was soft, he wouldn't but in that effort. Also, if he was soft, he probably wouldn't be rolled into the box more than the other safety is. Like I said, just because you want to defend Gage doesn't mean you have to indict Washington. If he was the worst tackler on the team he wouldn't be playing.
Whatever you say. I prefer to actually watch what they do rather than look at meaningless tackle stats from players who never make big hits and he is a SAFETY. I'm out.
Let the Gage bashing continue no matter how off base. His play wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either. Anyone who knows dback play could see that from reviewing the game.
Doesn't want Gage based (off base in your opinion).....bashed Washington to support Gage (off base)
I like Washington but I agree with D Up... JW has been missing tackles all year. He goes too high on his tackles and gets shook off a lot. Great athlete though and I'm glad we have him!
And there you have it. Good effort, not good play. We could probably beat teams like Tulsa and Iowa with him starting.
You to the 2nd series yet?
Now I have someone that doesn't even know what irony means. LOL
Let me get this straight, it's ironic that I don't think you should bash one safety when the other one has made those poor plays all year and yet no one is bashing him? LOL I have no problems bashing his play if it is warranted. OOPs. dang it, that irony thing just doesn't make sense now does it.
I do get a good laugh out of some of you. LOL
Let me get this straight, it's ironic that I don't think you should bash one safety when the other one has made those poor plays all year and yet no one is bashing him? LOL I have no problems bashing his play if it is warranted. OOPs. dang it, that irony thing just doesn't make sense now does it.
I do get a good laugh out of some of you. LOL
Doesn't want Gage based (off base in your opinion).....bashed Washington to support Gage (off base)
I think I said he wasn't awful. He wasn't good, but no one was exceptionally good on defense anyway. I just made the point that it's ridiculous to claim the third leading tackler "runs away from tackles." You lost all credibility with such a statement.
Don't you mean, "Can one lose something he/she never had?" LOL It keeps getting better.
What? I'm not an English major, but I am pretty sure that is proper grammar. Also, you are an ******* who diverts arguments from their main points. You deflected the Schaeffer talk to Washington, then the Washington talk to grammar.
Yep, and when you thought the two safeties played different positions (have different responsibilities most of the time) you demonstrated your true lack of knowledge about the game and then citing a tackle stat just demonstrates it even more.
I'm pretty sure that what I listed in quotes is correct, but notice that I changed it from what he said. I do know the difference just like I know the difference in good safety play.
I am sorry you don't.
Question: If the safety positions are identical why aren't the players at those positions interchangeable?
LOL Please spare me the lectures after this post about the safety. You said, "Isn't big enough to tackle in the big 12?"
I'll take some logic from tre. Well, he has tackles so you lost all credibility there. Do you see how this works yet? BTW that's not my logic. It's tre's.
PS. I actually agree with your other comments about Stokes.
I'll take some logic from tre. Well, he has tackles so you lost all credibility there. Do you see how this works yet? BTW that's not my logic. It's tre's.
PS. I actually agree with your other comments about Stokes.
I said in an earlier post that Washington is smart and makes the calls for the dbacks. That is it. In Iowa State's defense, the majority of the time they have the same responsibilities other than that.
I have no problem recognizing Washington's strengths which are his intelligence and his knowledge of the tendencies etc. The coaches have praised him on those things in the past.
He is a horrible tackler for a safety, however. I just found it comical that people are bashing Gage when Washington has been missing tackles or shying away from tackles all year and no one seems to care.
Yeah, he hates to tackle and runs away from tackle opportunities. That's why he's third on the team in tackles, because he hates doing it and is a big scaredy cat and sucks at it. This is a ridiculous argument especially when we rolled him down into the box as much as we did when Givens was healthy. The two safety positions are so much more than "both drop into a half in cover two." I didn't even criticize Shafer. I had a problem with you thinking you could defend him by throwing falsified **** at Washington in an effort to somehow justify a less than stellar performance from Gage.
