How would you rank our last 6 coaches?

[clonetil01]

1. Johnny- leaving Michigan, who he took to a National Title game, to build something from NOTHING at ISU, brought the recruiting pipeline from Michigan, and gave Hilton it's identity, no way he's not number one.
2. Flloyd-Really amped up recruiting, refilled the cupboard twice and was a Cameron Dollar pull-up away from the Elite 8
3. Fred-rebuilt something that had been torn down and forgotten, and did it in a short amount of time. The GPA and Grad Rate is awesome and the Magic has never been better.
4. Larry-IF it was a "who put together the best 2 year run", he'd be 1 obviously, but you have to factor into the fact that the way he went out and those last couple years had a lasting effect, and pretty much made Morgan the coach cause no one else wanted it(incert Vandevelde's role in this as well)
5. Mac-Couldn't stand anything they did on the court, hated the transfers, but at least he didn't get us in trouble with the APR thing and the emphasis on STUDENT-Athlete came back, and that part helped Fred.
6. Wayno- had some good talent, had no idea what to do with it, that being said, had a nice run that year they won several games in a row and beat Minnesota in the Tourney, Homan was a beast in the loss to NC. Also got us a lot of bad pub with the whole scheduling company, off court issues, etc.

 

[isufan]

1-4 Tossup
5. Morgan
Unanimous 6th: McDoormat

 

[IcSyU]

For 1 season:
1. Floyd (he couldn't commit that many NCAA violations in one year, could he?)
2. Hoiberg (only reason Floyd get the nod is experience)
3. the rest of the options stink for one year.

 

[CYKOFAN]

I think Wayne deserves way more credit for what he did in year one after the offseason BS that went down and keeping that team together than what he is getting from many of you. His second year was about on par with last season (year two for Fred). To rate Greg better is just silly. Remember, Wayne's last season, the one people give him so much crap for was still a winning season, something Greg never was able to do in Ames. Additionally, Greg either failed his duties to his employer (ISU) in pushing his son away from Ames while still working for ISU or failed to recognize the talent. I, my opinion, lean towards the first as we saw what he did day one in his new job at CU.

It will be interesting to revisit this in 3 years and see what Fred is able to do. I'm really pleased with what he's done in almost 3 years!!!

6. Greg



5. Wayne
4. Fred
3. Tim
2. Larry

1. Johnny - the creator of "Hilton Magic"

Good post. The results and records put Wayne light years above Greg at ISU. In fact there's only been a few better 3 year periods in ISU basketball history than the 3 Wayne had even after taking over a program in turmoil.

 

[CycloneWarning]

Cool question, but too many different ways to rank them. Just my opinion:

(1) Orr - The Godfather of Hilton Magic, put us on the map
(2/3) Floyd/Eustachy - Both very solid, sad ending for LE
(4) Fred - High ceiling with this one, but wish we would play some better D
(5) Morgan - Count me in the camp that thinks he did OK for the situation, but is not HC material
(6) Greg - Wow, unbelievable how such a smart guy could perform so poorly

 

[CYKOFAN]

6. McDemott
5. Morgan
4. Johnny
3. Fred
2. Larry
1. Floyd

I pretty much agree with this, with Fred having a great chance to move up. Johnny created Hilton Magic and will always be loved for what he created here, but as a coach his career Big 8 record wasn't good, and he seldom won on the road. That's why I have to agree that Tim, Larry and Fred are better coaches.

 

[cycloneworld]

1. Larry - brought us 2 of the best teams/seasons in school history. As close as we've come to winning a national title.
2. Orr - Started it all. Longevity is why I have him at #2.
3. Floyd - Took it to the next level.
4. Fred - Too early in his career to be higher but has restored the Magic & faith in ISU MBB.
5. Wayne - Not terrible for ISU, just not a good coach.
6. McDermott - Ran ISU basketball into the ground. Enough said.

 

[Jambalaya]

6. Greg
5. Wayne
4. Tim
3. Larry
2. Fred
1. Johnny - the creator of "Hilton Magic"

-- interesting to re-rank this in 10 years, though.

Depends on the criteria

Energizing the fanbase?

#1 Orr
#2 Fred

Recruiting?

Close call.

Larry might be the best coach---but the worst recruiter. He landed Tinsley..period, in 5 years?

Gmac might have been the worst fit--but recruited Mike Taylor, Wesley Johnson, Brackins, Diante Garrett---all with at least a cup of coffee in the NBA

 

[CloneIce]

1-Larry





2-Floyd

3-Johnny

4-The Mayor







5-Mac


6-Morgan

How in the world could anyone rank Gmac ahead of Morgan? Morgans worst team in his 3 years was better than Gmac's best in his 4 years. I agree they both belong far behind the other 4, but Gmac belongs equally far behind Morgan.

 

[carvers4math]

I really can't decide between the top four (Johnny, Floyd, Larry, Mayor) as they all have their different positives.

Next tier is Wayne.

In an awful class all of his own is McDermott.

 

[FDWxMan]

1. Floyd
2. Eustachy
3. Orr/Hoiberg
5. Morgan
6. McDermott

 

[CycloneNation18]

1. Johnny Orr- He built our basketball team from virtually nothing and brought the "Hilton Magic" even if his winning percentage is lower than Fred's or Larry's
2. Fred Hoiberg- He's brought "Hilton Magic" back, and he's brought in some great talent with him. He's also improving as a coach and will likely have two NCAA tourney appearances in three years after being left with virtually nothing from the McDermott years.
3. Tim Floyd- He brought in great juco talent and led us to a Sweet 16 appearance.
4. Larry Eustachy- Most of his success came with Floyd's recruits, but he still led us to an Elite Eight and 2 Big 12 regular season championships.
5. Wayne Morgan- He could recruit talent in and led us to an NCAA tournament appearance, but he was a poor coach.
6. Greg McDermott- He could bring in talent, but he couldn't get people to stay, and there were a bunch of transfers. His coaching style was way too complicated, and his teams definitely underachieved.

 

[ISUChippewa]

6 - McDermott









5 - Morgan
4 - Fred (with plenty of opportunity to move up)
3 - Johnny
2 - Larry
1 - Floyd

 

[CloneIce]

5. Mac-Couldn't stand anything they did on the court, hated the transfers, but at least he didn't get us in trouble with the APR thing and the emphasis on STUDENT-Athlete came back, and that part helped Fred.
6. Wayno- had some good talent, had no idea what to do with it, that being said, had a nice run that year they won several games in a row and beat Minnesota in the Tourney, Homan was a beast in the loss to NC. Also got us a lot of bad pub with the whole scheduling company, off court issues, etc.

How so? Apparently by STUDENT-athlete you mean an athlete who transfers after 1 or 2 years to a different college?

Also, what are you referring to regarding Wayno's off the court issues? In reality his players got into very little trouble off the court relative to the Eustachy and Floyd days. This seems to be an urban legend of sorts, not sure how people got the idea that Wayne's teams had alot of off the court problems, because they didn't.

 

[cycloneworld]

1. Johnny Orr- He built our basketball team from virtually nothing and brought the "Hilton Magic" even if his winning percentage is lower than Fred's or Larry's
2. Fred Hoiberg- He's brought "Hilton Magic" back, and he's brought in some great talent with him. He's also improving as a coach and will likely have two NCAA tourney appearances in three years after being left with virtually nothing from the McDermott years.
3. Tim Floyd- He brought in great juco talent and led us to a Sweet 16 appearance.
4. Larry Eustachy- Most of his success came with Floyd's recruits, but he still led us to an Elite Eight and 2 Big 12 regular season championships.
5. Wayne Morgan- He could recruit talent in and led us to an NCAA tournament appearance, but he was a poor coach.
6. Greg McDermott- He could bring in talent, but he couldn't get people to stay, and there were a bunch of transfers. His coaching style was way too complicated, and his teams definitely underachieved.

I'll admit I'm an LE homer but how can Hoiberg be above Eustachy? Hoiberg has been to 1 NCAA tournament, no Big 12 Tournament wins, and we haven't finished about 4th in the conference. I love that he's brought the passion back to Hilton but I can't see him above Eustachy (or Floyd for that matter).

 

[Spam]

How can anyone not have GM as number 6? LE, TF, JO and FH are way ahead of WM and GM. But WM is light years ahead of GM. Out of the 6 coaches listed, 5 of them had hilton magic going for them 1 did not.

 

[VeloClone]

It is interesting to me that if things had gone differently for just a few short minutes of questionable officiating in Auburn Hills this would barely be a discussion since Larry would be the only coach on the list to get ISU to a Final Four and likely National Championship. Obvious black marks are how it crashed down at the end.

It's hard to not credit Johnny for being the giant on whose shoulders all those who followed stood.

Fred's masterpiece is incomplete so I will have to give him a semester grade and wait until he graduates to put him in his final ranking.

1. Larry - see Paragraph 1.
2. Johnny - made it all possible.
3. Tim - did a lot in relative short time - got the most out of what he had.
4. Fred - see Paragraph 3 - did a lot in a short time when starting with next to nothing.
5. Wayne - doesn't seem right to put his success this low, but he sabotaged the program on the way out - unforgivable.
6. Greg - dealt a rough hand by Wayne, but seemed the opposite of Tim - got the least out of what he had.

 

[GMackey32]

1. Larry
2. Tim
3. Johnny
4. Fred
5. Wayne
6. Chewy

I should note that there can be about a million different inanimate objects snuck in there between Fred and Wayne.

 

[Spam]

Greg inherited a below average program. And made it possibly the worst Big 6 conference program in America. We should call him "The Transformer"

 

[CYKOFAN]

6 - Wayne
5 - Greg
4 - Larry
3 - Floyd
2 - Fred
1 - Orr

Johnny created Hilton Magic and deserves credit for that, but how can you have Orr first and Morgan last when Morgan's overall winning percentage and conference winning percentage is waaay above Orr's, and off the chart's above Greg's? In fact depending on how this year finishes, Morgan won't be much behind Fred. I'd never rank Morgan above Johnny because of Hilton Magic, but no way Morgan should be last.