OMG our young guards!

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I was also at the games last night, and I can think of ONE benefit...

That being not getting your surgically repaired finger smacked around by much more inspired (or less "lazy") post guys form JUCCO or DIII (who are short but are both good athletes and actually did play quite hard). Scott Bruxvoort and Seth Light (both played against Percy last night) are both tough kids who seemed to be playing to impress last night, and they weren't just going to give up easy buckets down low. I can remember several fouls being called on both players down low, and I don't believe any of them were on Percy. Maybe he was trying to protect his hand????
If its that injured then sit out, why risk it for Cap City, if you can't play your game
 

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You don't have to list minutes for it to make sense. The only reason yours doesn't make sense is that you listed Nader

Disagree, just looking at mine, it appears Hogue is getting most if not all of our SF minutes, because he's the only one. When in reality I think a majority of our time will be spent in 3-guard lineups with Kane and SDW there.

I believe Gravy was trying to point out that Abdel Nader will be sitting out this upcoming season...
 

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Doubt that happens, if our shooters are anything like expected. Even if he improves, Big 12 teams would love to see Percy try and beat them and won't leave Hoiberg's shooters.

I do agree with you there. I don't see Percy drawing any double teams this year, at least to begin Big 12 play, unless he shows the ability to score consistently one-on-one. There are plenty of guys big and athletic enough in this conference to warrant at least making Percy show he can score one-on-one with these guys on a consistent basis before you start seeing Baylor, Kansas, and OSU sending double teams his way.
 

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I believe Gravy was trying to point out that Abdel Nader will be sitting out this upcoming season...
I understand that point. That was my bad which is why I edited that original post, but my other points still apply. We have a slew of talented guards for next year and when doing a depth chart projection its important to see where they will get time. especially a guy like Kane or SDW when we will want to get Monte and Thomas minutes
 

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I suppose your right. I blame the trainers and medical staff for this one
See the medical staff wouldn't let that happen if it was really a true concern. So he just needs to get it in his head that he is not Niang, we need him to get down low and be our physical bench presence.
 

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Doubt that happens, if our shooters are anything like expected. Even if he improves, Big 12 teams would love to see Percy try and beat them and won't leave Hoiberg's shooters.
Then he needs to be an efficient scorer to force the opposing coach's hand. Him shooting outside isn't going to accomplish that. If you have to respect him just a little bit the guards will try and rip from the outside for an easy steal so he can't score. Once he has that respectability, the kick out and an open 3 is there. He doesn't need an outside shot to be deadly.

Aggressive guards are going to try and get the steal even if he's easily guarded one on one...it's how aggressive guards play. He has to be able to make them pay for his own good as well as the person the guard is guarding.
 

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See the medical staff wouldn't let that happen if it was really a true concern. So he just needs to get it in his head that he is not Niang, we need him to get down low and be our physical bench presence.

Your minutes projection is also wrong for Palo and Gibson. No way they only get 5 min a game.
 

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...We have a slew of talented guards for next year and when doing a depth chart projection its important to see where they will get time. especially a guy like Kane or SDW when we will want to get Monte and Thomas minutes

I get where you're coming from and I also didn't mind seeing your depth chart laid out there. I'm also liking our depth at guard, especially cuz the 2 and the 3 are basically interchangeable from a scheme standpoint in CFH's offense (I've heard this stated many times). I'm certainly no coach, but personally I'm very excited about seeing Morris/SDW/Thomas/Kane (not necessarily all at once, just making sure all 4 get big minutes) as much as possible and the only way to do that is to basically play without a traditional small forward, with Hogue and perhaps even Ejim(its possible if Percy can take a step foward this year) sliding into the 3 spot when we're getting beat up on the boards
 
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Then he needs to be an efficient scorer to force the opposing coach's hand. Him shooting outside isn't going to accomplish that. If you have to respect him just a little bit the guards will try and rip from the outside for an easy steal so he can't score. Once he has that respectability, the kick out and an open 3 is there. He doesn't need an outside shot to be deadly.
I do agree with the hope of this happening and that does need to be his goal. My confidence in it coming true just isn't very high.
 

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I get where you're coming from and I also didn't mind seeing your depth chart laid out there. I'm also liking our depth at guard, especially cuz the 2 and the 3 are basically interchangeable from a scheme standpoint in CFH's offense (I've heard this stated many times). I'm certainly no coach, but personally I'm very excited about seeing Morris/SDW/Thomas/Kane as much as possible and the only way to do that is to basically play without a traditional small forward, with Hogue and perhaps even Ejim(its possible if Percy can take a step foward this year) sliding into the 3 spot when we're getting beat up on the boards
Thats whats really exciting for me. Kane, SDW, and Thomas are all 6'4 and in addition to that helping them get their shots off it should help rebounding. Kane especially will be an outstanding rebounding guard.

We have tried Ejim at the 3 before but I want to keep him just at the 4 this year. He is much better there and we got plenty of other outside options.
 

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I suppose your right. I blame the trainers and medical staff for this one


See the medical staff wouldn't let that happen if it was really a true concern. So he just needs to get it in his head that he is not Niang, we need him to get down low and be our physical bench presence.

Just because the medical staff clears you to play doesn't mean you are in a hurry to re-injure it in June by playing as if you're hand isn't surgically repaired. Not trying to sound like I'm a fan of lackluster effort or boring CCL basketball, because if I had come to watch Percy play specifically I would have been severely disappointed.
 

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Thats whats really exciting for me. Kane, SDW, and Thomas are all 6'4 and in addition to that helping them get their shots off it should help rebounding. Kane especially will be an outstanding rebounding guard.

We have tried Ejim at the 3 before but I want to keep him just at the 4 this year. He is much better there and we got plenty of other outside options.

Can't argue with that. Ejim has shown to be better from the 4-spot at least to this point and 6'4 guards can be versatile and use that to their advantage in the Big 12 (provided that they are skilled, of course)
 

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Just because the medical staff clears you to play doesn't mean you are in a hurry to re-injure it in June by playing as if you're hand isn't surgically repaired. Not trying to sound like I'm a fan of lackluster effort or boring CCL basketball, because if I had come to watch Percy play specifically I would have been severely disappointed.
Oh I get what you mean. I'm just saying I'd like to see him working on a few post moves vs. these lesser guys (even if it is CCL and that not really the style of the league).
 
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Your minutes projection is also wrong for Palo and Gibson. No way they only get 5 min a game.
You are right on Gibson most likely. But with Bubu, I could see him getting phased out in Big 12 play, with Kane and MM getting comfortable. I'm still not counting out Naz to get some time too.
 

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Oh I get what you mean. I'm just saying I'd like to see him working on a few post moves vs. these lesser guys (even if it is CCL and that not really the style of the league).

Yes I'll admit there was a part of me hoping to see Percy just bulldozing his way to the basket on every play and manhandle these smaller guys. I was more disappointed to see a lack of two-man game from Bubu and Percy, they only ran one smooth full speed pick and roll between the two of them that I can remember. They weren't on the same page nearly as much as I'd expected them to be since they are both upper classmen. Perhaps this was because Percy was cruising a bit, as I can live with a slight lack of effort in this CCL thing, but a lack of chemistry among upperclassmen gets my attention.
 

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Yes I'll admit there was a part of me hoping to see Percy just bulldozing his way to the basket on every play and manhandle these smaller guys. I was more disappointed to see a lack of two-man game from Bubu and Percy, they only ran one smooth full speed pick and roll between the two of them that I can remember. They weren't on the same page nearly as much as I'd expected them to be since they are both upper classmen. Perhaps this was because Percy was cruising a bit, as I can live with a slight lack of effort in this CCL thing, but a lack of chemistry among upperclassmen gets my attention.
Hmm that is interesting, wonder if Bubu knows Percy isn't trying and is phasing him out. I wasn't there so I'll rely on you guys' opinion on that
 

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Yes I'll admit there was a part of me hoping to see Percy just bulldozing his way to the basket on every play and manhandle these smaller guys. I was more disappointed to see a lack of two-man game from Bubu and Percy, they only ran one smooth full speed pick and roll between the two of them that I can remember. They weren't on the same page nearly as much as I'd expected them to be since they are both upper classmen. Perhaps this was because Percy was cruising a bit, as I can live with a slight lack of effort in this CCL thing, but a lack of chemistry among upperclassmen gets my attention.

Really, how much were the two of them on the floor together in game situations? In my recollection, Percy was generally used when ISU went big and Bubu was generally used when ISU had a three guard lineup in. And that also isn't taking into account that Bubu missed half of each of the last two years, Percy's only two years in the program.
 

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Really, how much were the two of them on the floor together in game situations? In my recollection, Percy was generally used when ISU went big and Bubu was generally used when ISU had a three guard lineup in. And that also isn't taking into account that Bubu missed half of each of the last two years, Percy's only two years in the program.

That's a good point, I didn't factor in all of those factors Bubu had to deal with. But I'm sure both of them got a fair amount of time on the floor together in scrimmages against the first unit (not necessarily a "game situation" but i'd say definitely comparable to CCL).That's just a guess based on shear numbers available. Bubu played GREAT btw. I believe Bubu even had a triple-double.
 
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