Bubu kicked off team??!!

[Angie]

I'm sorry Angie but this is absurd. ISU has a felon on the football team. Should we kick off all the other players because they know him? PP actually plead guilty to a crime the first time -- something Bubu has not done. I am sure we have not heard the end of this...

I think we just disagree, and that's okay. ISU takes pride in being a clean organization. Bubu was not found guilty by 100% of a jury in a court of law; that doesn't mean that he didn't do anything wrong, and that the university couldn't find him to have done so. But even if they didn't - they simply kicked him off of the team for conduct not fitting a representative of the team. The university gave him that spot, it's their right to take it away.

It's also a potential liability. What if he had gone to another school during a road game and made a similar poor decision? That's a national black eye. We've gotten rid of people for a lot less than this.

 

[Cyballz]

I got tag teamed in college by a couple girls, one of whom was a prominent member of our schools athletics teams. I should make them revoke all the records she holds

Prominent athlete

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Boning a chick that weighs as much as 2 chicks don't make a threesome brah

 

[VeloClone]

Sexual Misconduct, Sexual Assault, and Sexual Harassment Involving Students | Policy Library

Well all they really had to prove was she was really drunk and he slept with her. A person incapacitated in Iowa is not legally able to provide consent. And per Iowa State policy this is all that is required to be guilty of sexual misconduct.

I know this sounds callous considering these circumstances, but in general if a man was also really drunk then both parties could be guilty of sexual misconduct under the policy.

 

[cysox2]

The story is that Bubu, completely sober, along with another sober male, had sex with a consenting yet extremely intoxicated female correct? Thats pretty awful.

I don't know where you are from but where I am that is something that deserves a serious *** kicking and serious public scorn and shame especially given the fact he was a public figure representing ISU on a basketball scholarship. The law becomes irrelevant since anyone with a grain of sense knows that it actually is excusable to have sex with a drunk person if both parties are equally inebriated I am not getting all high and mighty but when one party is sober it makes them a sexual predator and complete POS (and multiply the scummyness of it by 10 if your ******* double teaming that person.) Bottom line. Now take the fact that lucky POS gets to attend a 30,000 person university that has some of the hottest women on the planet as a celebrity on the basketball team which makes it 100x easier for him to attract women and I hope he loses everything.


I have only one example but at a party we saw a kid we knew carry a girl who couldn't walk up the stairs to her room and found out she was so drunk she broke her computer by pouring beer on it when they were in there. We also found out from her roommates that she basically did that kind thing every weekend. So in the court of law he probably doesn't deserve to be convicted due to her prior behavoir but that doesn't make him any less of a rapist. And if after the fact she told on him he would have 100% deserved to get the boot from school even if no legal charges were tangible regardless of her prior behavior.


It probably would have been easier for ISU to let it go away. Look at Dez Wells suing X. They made a good decision that should be applauded.

So in your example you watched a guy carry a helpless drunk girl up the steps? Maybe there would be fewer of these incidents if instead of watching it happen, someone did something about it. This happens ALL THE TIME in college! Is it right? No.
There wasn't even enough evidence to try the case! The only thing anyone was found guilty of was tampering with evidence. If bubu knew this was a possibility (I have to think he did) then it is what it is, but if he was blindsided by this, then I do feel bad for him. He's clearly no saint. He's a KID that made a very poor decision, and after being punished for it and thinking it was in his past, he's being punished for it again.

 

[BryceC]

Honestly he may be fed up with the legal system but his attorney on the radio last year sure made it seem like he would have a defamation case if he wanted it. Also wouldn't be opposed to a suit against the university.

Now that being said, I always thought it was laughable when he claimed he did nothing wrong especially in light of the fact that he claims to be a Christian.

The fact that he was removed from the team and not the university is a pure CYA situation. Furthermore I don't know why leath should be able to make that decision without removing him from the university as well.

So Bubu violated the code of conduct and he apparently is still a danger to people... Yet we leave him on campus? A guy with a 4.0 got kicked out of school during the last riots with a semester left for pushing a dumpster down the street and causing no further damage. It just seems like these decisions are so arbitrary.

 

[IAStubborn]

I think we just disagree, and that's okay. ISU takes pride in being a clean organization. Bubu was not found guilty by 100% of a jury in a court of law; that doesn't mean that he didn't do anything wrong, and that the university couldn't find him to have done so. But even if they didn't - they simply kicked him off of the team for conduct not fitting a representative of the team. The university gave him that spot, it's their right to take it away.

It's also a potential liability. What if he had gone to another school during a road game and made a similar poor decision? That's a national black eye. We've gotten rid of people for a lot less than this.

Given that they didn't kick him out as a student my guess is they are not confirming the girls allegations. Rather that he acted as a poor representative of the university and lost that perk (of representing the university). I don't think the fact he displayed poor judgement is really in question. What is possibly unfortunate for Bubu is that everyone assumes that the university thinks he was guilty of what he was accused of.
And because of privacy laws Bubu will never get that chance to clear his name of that. If this is the case, the University should have made it clear it was not an affirmation on his guilt or innocence in the court proceedings. I also have some issue with the fact a person can essentually have there name destroyed by a University without transparent due process. Covering your *** and protecting against a PR liability are not enough to ruin a kids future. If they felt what he did was legal (she was not incapcitated or there was not evidence to this effect) but immoral or poor judgement then someone should make that clear. The facts really dont add up to the university thought he was guilty of rape. If they did he would not be a student. Hence, while I agree he still did something wrong the fact that everyone believes this makes him a likely rapist with not enough evidence and also someone unlikely to now ever get a job because of that fact seems a little wrong too. nPeople should be able to publically defend yourself against these types of allegations.

 

[erikbj]

Bubu put himself in this position. Hopefully he uses this hard lesson to change things in his life, because we are just talking about basketball, there are going to be a lot more important things in his life and he will need to make better judgement calls.

As for ISU, the timing was a bit wierd - but we are talking about a backup that has a 2PG / game average. Hopefully Naz and MM can step up their game and fill in as the backup PGs. You have to have a feeling that CFH may have had an idea of appeal and possible outcome because the Kane late pick up makes too much sense now.

 

[BigBake]

Bubu put himself in this position. Hopefully he uses this hard lesson to change things in his life, because we are just talking about basketball, there are going to be a lot more important things in his life and he will need to make better judgement calls.

As for ISU, the timing was a bit wierd - but we are talking about a backup that has a 2PG / game average. Hopefully Naz and MM can step up their game and fill in as the backup PGs. You have to have a feeling that CFH may have had an idea of appeal and possible outcome because the Kane late pick up makes too much sense now.

This does make a lot of sense.

 

[bgprest]

Beating UNI by >5 touchdowns will help get my spirits back up

How'd that work for you?

 

[GoCubsGo]

Bubu could always waive his rights under the privacy laws and authorize the university to disclose the underlying facts. OR Bubu himself could release a statement containing his version of the facts if he's concerned about public opinion. I'm guessing neither of these things will occur though. Read into that whatever you like.

 

[MartyFine]

I think we just disagree, and that's okay. ISU takes pride in being a clean organization. Bubu was not found guilty by 100% of a jury in a court of law; that doesn't mean that he didn't do anything wrong, and that the university couldn't find him to have done so. But even if they didn't - they simply kicked him off of the team for conduct not fitting a representative of the team. The university gave him that spot, it's their right to take it away.

It's also a potential liability. What if he had gone to another school during a road game and made a similar poor decision? That's a national black eye. We've gotten rid of people for a lot less than this.

Who in the University has this kind of authority? This is not conduct of a University that supports its athletic department or head basketball coach...

 

[Wesley]

Honestly he may be fed up with the legal system but his attorney on the radio last year sure made it seem like he would have a defamation case if he wanted it. Also wouldn't be opposed to a suit against the university.

Now that being said, I always thought it was laughable when he claimed he did nothing wrong especially in light of the fact that he claims to be a Christian.

The fact that he was removed from the team and not the university is a pure CYA situation. Furthermore I don't know why leath should be able to make that decision without removing him from the university as well.

So Bubu violated the code of conduct and he apparently is still a danger to people... Yet we leave him on campus? A guy with a 4.0 got kicked out of school during the last riots with a semester left for pushing a dumpster down the street and causing no further damage. It just seems like these decisions are so arbitrary.

They are arbitary.

Sagarin rankings had this posted today:
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"I particularly condemn the way our political leaders supplied the manpower for that war. The policies - determining who would be drafted and who would be deferred, who would serve and who would escape, who would die and who would live - were an antidemocratic disgrace. I can never forgive a leadership that said, in effect: These young men - poorer, less educated, less privileged - are expendable (someone described them as 'economic cannon fodder'), but the rest are too good to risk. I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well placed and so many professional athletes (who were probably healthier than any of us) managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units. Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

page 148 "MY AMERICAN JOURNEY" by Colin Powell

 

[Wesley]

Bubu put himself in this position. Hopefully he uses this hard lesson to change things in his life, because we are just talking about basketball, there are going to be a lot more important things in his life and he will need to make better judgement calls.

As for ISU, the timing was a bit wierd - but we are talking about a backup that has a 2PG / game average. Hopefully Naz and MM can step up their game and fill in as the backup PGs. You have to have a feeling that CFH may have had an idea of appeal and possible outcome because the Kane late pick up makes too much sense now.

In before but we will be so young.

 

[Angie]

Who in the University has this kind of authority? This is not conduct of a University that supports its athletic department or head basketball coach...

Well, I don't work at the university, but I would expect pretty much anyone in the AD or administrative offices. How is it not supporting the athletic department to protect it from further liability?

 

[TXCyclones]

No, he failed his university.

I don't feel bad for him one bit. He is not a victim.

If he failed his university then why did his university allow him to play last season? Because the university failed. And now, after essentially using him for that season the university changes its moral compass (only after being scared to death over the NCAA violations) and tells the young man that he is no longer on the team AFTER school starts and too late for him to transfer. The university failed, whether you feel badly or not.

 

[Cydkar]

What does Bubu have to do with NCAA violations?

 

[Klubber]

Who in the University has this kind of authority? This is not conduct of a University that supports its athletic department or head basketball coach...

It's also kind of scary to think that anyone with a grudge against a student athlete can run to the University, accuse him or her of violating student conduct code, and effectively get that person kicked off a team.

Is there a discovery process here? What evidence is the University privy to that the courts were not? Is the accused allowed to defend him/herself against the allegations through an interview/affidavit etc.?

It looks to me here that someone high up in the ISU administration doesn't like Bubu, didn't believe his version of events, and didn't really care what the court found. I have a problem with this.

 

[CyScoop]

Some of the comments here are beyond disgusting. The man sexually assaulted an incapacitated female. The school didn't fail Bubu, he failed the university by acting like a two bit thug rapist. It was an embarrassment that he was able to return to the university on scholarship period.

 

[VeloClone]

Some of the comments here are beyond disgusting. The man sexually assaulted an incapacitated female. The school didn't fail Bubu, he failed the university by acting like a two bit thug rapist. It was an embarrassment that he was able to return to the university on scholarship period.

I've read this several times on here and even so far as saying she was passed out. Where did you guys get that?

 

[bringmagicback]

Some of the comments here are beyond disgusting. The man sexually assaulted an incapacitated female. The school didn't fail Bubu, he failed the university by acting like a two bit thug rapist. It was an embarrassment that he was able to return to the university on scholarship period.

If you are going to troll the site, at least be funny or something. Ive read your through your past posts starting with conference realignment and there is not one post that is remotely good trolling. You get an A for effort for spending as much time as you have on it but the content is about a D-.