No, he failed his university.
I don't feel bad for him one bit. He is not a victim.
Bubu kicked off team??!!
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No, he failed his university.
I don't feel bad for him one bit. He is not a victim.
While completely minor to the larger issues discussed in this thread, I highly doubt Bubu was the starting PG. Would he have been a solid contributor? Certainly. But I believe a high profile transfer was slated to be the starting PG and a high profile recruit might have made him even 3rd string. As a basketball player, Bubu's defense kept him on the floor more than his offense, althrough that seemed to be improving.
Still think Amardi lost out because someone in admin was molasses in their final decision.
This is a bad situation all around. There's no doubt about that. People have posted some incredibly stupid things as well. I imagine I'll be criticized for this post, but here's my perspective anyway.
I want to start by saying that Bubu's actions were immoral at best and despicable at worst. He put ISU and Hoiberg in a bad position because of poor decisions and the whole situation could have been avoided if he had acted like a decent guy.
Having said that, the girl openly lied to police and created false evidence. There's a lot of gray here, but this is one of the few facts that is known and she is completely in the wrong. I know sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes in the US and this situation may have damaged actual victims. I'm not saying she was a victim or not, just that others will remember this situation and it may cause future prosecutions to be more difficult. For a crime that often comes down to he says/she says, this is a setback for the cause and for that reason, I'm angry with the girl.
As for ISU kicking Bubu off the team, I guess I don't really understand why the original decision was overturned. Clearly they felt like even in the best case scenario, his actions warranted dismissal from the team. I don't have any inside information, but to me it seems far too strict. Bubu served a suspension of half a season which seems fair to me based on the information that is available to the public. I guess that's my two cents.
I want to start by saying that Bubu's actions were immoral at best and despicable at worst. He put ISU and Hoiberg in a bad position because of poor decisions and the whole situation could have been avoided if he had acted like a decent guy.
Having said that, the girl openly lied to police and created false evidence. There's a lot of gray here, but this is one of the few facts that is known and she is completely in the wrong. I know sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes in the US and this situation may have damaged actual victims. I'm not saying she was a victim or not, just that others will remember this situation and it may cause future prosecutions to be more difficult. For a crime that often comes down to he says/she says, this is a setback for the cause and for that reason, I'm angry with the girl.
As for ISU kicking Bubu off the team, I guess I don't really understand why the original decision was overturned. Clearly they felt like even in the best case scenario, his actions warranted dismissal from the team. I don't have any inside information, but to me it seems far too strict. Bubu served a suspension of half a season which seems fair to me based on the information that is available to the public. I guess that's my two cents.
I am worried that this entire affair will prompt Hoiberg's departure for the NBA. This University decision completely undercut the Mayor. He has been saying for sometime that Bubu will potentially start and be the best perimeter defender. Now, just as school is starting, Bubu is off the team.
First KJ Kindler left for a situation that provides more support. Then Cael Sanderson. And I'm afraid after the 2013-14 season it will be Fred Hoiberg.
First KJ Kindler left for a situation that provides more support. Then Cael Sanderson. And I'm afraid after the 2013-14 season it will be Fred Hoiberg.
I'm not buying it. If/when Hoiburg leaves for the NBA, it will be because that is what he has indicated he has an interest in and feels challenged by, and that the coin is multipleX what he is making at ISU.
I think that's the crux of the argument here.
As I mentioned before, Bubu went with a convicted felon to go and tag-team an incredibly intoxicated girl. Even if it wasn't rape, that's not exactly consent in the state of Iowa. It DEFINITELY isn't good behavior for an incredibly visible representative of the university. Mike Taylor was kicked off the team for stealing a bottle of cough syrup; LE was fired just for drinking with coeds. Iowa State has a history of wanting to do it cleaner than everyone else. That's not often convenient, but we've all always held pride in it. I am honestly shocked that they looked this thoroughly into the matter, rather than just dismissing him right after the trial - I'd wager that's because he's an Ames boy.
Is this convenient? No. But Iowa State really wants to avoid a Pierre Pierce situation, so we have to be above-board. It's too bad it didn't get done in time for him to transfer, but I'd suspect that's because they really, really wanted to clear him.
There are posts questioning the timing. Don't forget that the judicial office responds to complaints. It's possible the timing of this depended on when complaints were filed. Also the judicial office follows due process in the interests of fairness to both sides. Due process can take time.
[h=3]3.5 Office of Judicial Affairs (OJA)[/h]The staff of the OJA is responsible for:
[h=3]3.5 Office of Judicial Affairs (OJA)[/h]The staff of the OJA is responsible for:
- Receiving reports of misconduct.
- Investigating allegations of misconduct, or assigning a case to another unit for investigation.
- Determining whether a matter warrants a hearing.
- Referring cases to the proper hearing board, or in the cases of minor violations, holding administrative hearings. See Section 5.6.1.
- Issuing notices of hearing.
- Maintaining records regarding disciplinary actions.
- Informing complainants of the outcome of the disciplinary process.
- Training the members of each of the various conduct boards and administrators of the Student Disciplinary Regulations.
I know we went through this debate the first time the allegations surfaced and everyone was calling for Bubu's head. The justice system sorted things out. The prosecutor made the decision to not even take the case to trial which in my experience tells me he had substantial concerns about the female's credibility.
I am not a big fan of a person's criminal charges being dismissed and then the University taking action regardless. I don't care if Bubu was a student or an athlete this makes no sense to me.
Finally, I didn't know that students could get kicked out of school not being noble.
The bottom line it is a little puzzling that the President of University made a decision of guilt on evidence that a prosecutor didn't even see fit to go to trial on.
1) Where is the information that Bubu was sober?
2) Where is the information that the victim was extremely intoxicated?
3) Was the prosecutor not privy to this same information at the time he dismissed the case?
Most of the people defending the University's decision in this case apparently don't realize that Iowa (like many other states) has a criminal code that makes it a crime to have sex with a person that is incapicitated because of alcohol consumption. The idea being that the female/male is unable to give consent in this situation.
The fact that the girl "fabricated" evidence in this case should be a significant red light to people. I am a defense attorney and I have seen individuals convicted of sex cases by a jury where years later the victim recants and says she made up the story.
Should rapists go to prison; absolutely. But the criminal justice system has handled this situation. For Iowa State to make a contrary decision just appears to be out of spite to the Athletic department or as a cover-your-*** statement to appease the girl and her family.
A) If I understood the release, Bubu was NOT kicked out of school. Rather, he will no longer be on the basketball team. Do we know if his scholarship was revoked? I don't remember seeing that in the release. B) As far as I know, we don't know the content of what was presented to the University (not same set of charges) in the original case or in the appeal.
I got tag teamed in college by a couple girls, one of whom was a prominent member of our schools athletics teams. I should make them revoke all the records she holds
I'm not sure this would be "the reason" for Hoiberg's departure. That being said, I think if President Leth directly overturned a decision by the Coucil based upon the same evidence then it might give Hoiberg pause as to whether Leth is anti-athletic department.
Good points in response: A) Correct...a player can be kicked off the team for not showing up to workouts...or because we need a scholly (see Nick Saben). How do we not know that Hoiberg supports the what has transpired? It is his program. I think it is premature to jump to assume Leath did this as a big "f" you to Hoiberg.
B) It's been said here many times, but the University process is different than criminal. The prosecutor could have said, "We have info about some fabricated evidence...there is no way we can convince a jury (beyond a shadow of a doubt)" so they threw it out.....BUT, that doesn't mean that things didn't happen that violate university policy. As for timing, it is what it is....due process/appeals take time, etc.
I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but if I got beat up tonight walking home...and later when interviewed by the police said, "yeah, it was FOR SURE 8:00PM and he FOR SURE hit me with a baseball bat...i'm sure it was a bat." And later they found it was actually 7PM and it wasn't a bat at all...I was just dreaming that....would that get prosecuted? Not sure....but I still got beat up, right? Ok, dumb example.
I'm sorry Angie but this is absurd. ISU has a felon on the football team. Should we kick off all the other players because they know him? PP actually plead guilty to a crime the first time -- something Bubu has not done. I am sure we have not heard the end of this...
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No kidding. This is the oddest version of "Freddieleave" paranoia that I've seen yet.
The water bottles at Jack Trice would be just as likely to send him packing.
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