Thank you Bill Snyder and K-State
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We have had a nice gameplan for the last 2 years in regards to a high powered Baylor team. 2 years ago, we took RGIII out of th e game but our D-tackles didn't hold up and we got gashed up the middle, still a sound plan, nobody had done that up to that point.
Last year we beat them soundly and they made Steele Jantz look like an all big 12 performer. I don't buy their defense is much improved yet, I think its a product of who they have played to this point., however I can be proven wrong. Baylor has a big target on their back and motivating the guys won't be hard, I look for a much closer game than expected. I'm not predicting a victory but we will play well.
Last year we beat them soundly and they made Steele Jantz look like an all big 12 performer. I don't buy their defense is much improved yet, I think its a product of who they have played to this point., however I can be proven wrong. Baylor has a big target on their back and motivating the guys won't be hard, I look for a much closer game than expected. I'm not predicting a victory but we will play well.
1- WVU was more of a "real" defense than KSU was looking at how they have done apart from playing us. It honestly isn't even close. Looking at how WVU defended OU, OSU, and Maryland vs how KSU "defended" UT, ULL, and OSU it's a laughable comparison. Had we done our usual thing people would still be saying we haven't played anyone with a pulse. So is it only someone "with a pulse" if we play poorly? Get real.
2- The big difference was the road venue. Guys didn't handle it well and it certainly contributed to the drops and the blown pass protection play as communication caused that one. Guys will learn from it and handle it better going forward.
3- We are talking about a game where BU played poorly and still hit the yards per possession totals that are AVERAGE for Ohio State, Bama, Clemson, and others. We averaged 4.6 with our tailbacks and threw for 330+.
I am not saying that scoring 70 is expected or any outlandish thing like that. KSU did nothing different than what we thrashed last year and what we've seen from our other foes. We just had key drops and penalties. It happens, but it's certainly not typical for us to miss open plays like that.
I agree our D is untested this year but it did improve greatly over 2012 as the season went on. The way it played in the WVU-TCU-Texas-ISU stretch was horrific.
You sure are arrogant, but I guess that is to be expected when you ignore that your team has played the 105th ranked schedule. Turns out when your playing BCS level defenses the windows get smaller, the qb has less time to make decisions, the rb's are hit harder, and the line opens up smaller holes that close faster. That's why these "mistakes" that haven't shown up yet came up this weekend. Your fooling yourself if you think Baylor is the only thing holding Baylor's offense back. I watched the game from an unbiased viewpoint, I have no stake in Baylor or KSU. I'd advise you to take off the blinders or you're going to be very dissapointed this season.
Do you think you are a better team than Texas Tech? I think their defense is light years ahead of yours and they can score about as much as Baylor.
Every battle is won before it is ever fought.
Our defense is led this way. The preparation is evident in what happens on the field every game. Players make mistakes & there are break downs in execution, but the strategy is usually pretty clear & evident.
Our offense is not led this way. I can tell you it looks as though our game plan for every game so far this season has been exactly the same. Our offense is about as uncoordinated as it gets. I would fake the bubble screen then go deep or run a draw off that action as every team we play is preparing to defend that play roughly a dozen times per game. Practice needs to be amped up on that play because we must practice it well since we run it in games so often. Same can be said on our running plays. Our 3rd or 4th and short the announcer lamented on how slow developing our play was (we luckily got the 1st down, but barely).
However, players left plays on the field. Bundrage gets wide open deep early in the game and Sam overthrows him. Can't say that was a poor play call. Right now, both the coaching and the players' execution have been lacking. In the end, that goes back to the top, i.e. the OC. The 'C' is for 'Coordinate', and that is severely lacking and why we will not see any similar strategy to what KSU employed.
Our defense is led this way. The preparation is evident in what happens on the field every game. Players make mistakes & there are break downs in execution, but the strategy is usually pretty clear & evident.
Our offense is not led this way. I can tell you it looks as though our game plan for every game so far this season has been exactly the same. Our offense is about as uncoordinated as it gets. I would fake the bubble screen then go deep or run a draw off that action as every team we play is preparing to defend that play roughly a dozen times per game. Practice needs to be amped up on that play because we must practice it well since we run it in games so often. Same can be said on our running plays. Our 3rd or 4th and short the announcer lamented on how slow developing our play was (we luckily got the 1st down, but barely).
However, players left plays on the field. Bundrage gets wide open deep early in the game and Sam overthrows him. Can't say that was a poor play call. Right now, both the coaching and the players' execution have been lacking. In the end, that goes back to the top, i.e. the OC. The 'C' is for 'Coordinate', and that is severely lacking and why we will not see any similar strategy to what KSU employed.
Offensively I feel we are much better than they are. Teams like SMU & Texas State prevented their OL from establishing the LOS. I also feel our QB is better than the random group of inexperience they have. Amaro and Ward are nice weapons and they have some good backs but I don't feel like Tech is as good on offense. That said I feel like Tech matches up well against our D style-wise.
Defensively they have played better than we have, but I really don't feel they have seen a strong OL unit yet. I mean SMU, TCU, ISU, KU, and Texas State have all had issues this season against much of their schedules up front and have all been at best hit or miss. How are they going to handle OU, BU, Texas, KSU who have more talented, experienced, and developed OL? Nobody knows yet. Hyder is a beast up front but other than him the talent isn't that great.
They made a GREAT hire with an ex-AFA staffer to install AFA's 3-4 scheme that has got the most out of service academy talent for years. Their scheme is more aggressive which works like a charm when the OL gaffes. Two of their sacks on you guys was blown pass protection assignments that really should not happen. I don't think some of the offenses they have yet to play will have the same problem.
I feel like our team is better due to LOS and QB but Tech is good and will be a tough out for anyone in the league.
Nice insult.
The QB (with the exception of the one pass pro gaffe) had just as much time as he had all year and the WR's had windows that were as open as the rest of the year. I am not talking about when the DB is in position or even close to it. I am talking about WIDE OPEN throws that are on target and dropped. The 3 drops I reference are two wide open comebacks and a slant and all were plays where the nearest defender is 4-5 yards away from the WR. That is always on the offense. If they were contested catches you would have a point, but they were not.
KSU played inspired and did a good job slowing the run by not allowing the BIG run, that is as much as I will concede. We stopped 3-4 of our own drives on plays that were wide open with the QB having ample time, making a good throw, and the WR dropping a pass with the DB nowhere near position to make a play. That is just the truth, sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative.
Your arrogance is evident, if you take that as an insult maybe you should look inward.
I watched the game, KSU is a well coached team but they had a gameplan in place which was set up to force Baylor into making long sustained drives. The prototypical bend but don't break. Even with that gameplan KSU's incredibly one dimensional offense was their equal in points and yards. I know that's hard for superfans to digest so tell yourself what you have to so you can justify it.
I watched the game, KSU is a well coached team but they had a gameplan in place which was set up to force Baylor into making long sustained drives. The prototypical bend but don't break. Even with that gameplan KSU's incredibly one dimensional offense was their equal in points and yards. I know that's hard for superfans to digest so tell yourself what you have to so you can justify it.
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Expecting wideouts that typically catch the ball to make wide open catches isn't arrogance, it's a pretty common expectation. KSU made some good plays and some of the drops were contested passes and good D. Those drops aren't the ones I refer to though.
Like the gameplan of every team we faced other than ULM, only this time penalties and drops caused problems for us. That is on us. I mean the penalties that killed us:
- An irrelevant (to the outcome of the play) OL downfield takes away a conversion. He didn't block anyone, didn't draw any attention from a DB, just kind of wandered there.
- An irrelevant clip simultaneously happens 10-15 yards away from where the WR was tackled, eliminating another conversion. It was so close to the whistle it probably could have been called a late hit instead which would have been a 1st down. Either way it's us killing ourselves.
- 3 open drops with DB's nowhere near them. If I can find video of it the specific plays are pretty cut and dry.
KSU executed their gameplan, but we simply played poorly. If we eliminate just 1-2 of those we probably score over 40 by merely converting those into FG's.
Our defense played terrible, no argument there. Our interior DL got manhandled and our safeties blew option assignments. I will readily admit our defense got beat, I just don't think the same is true of the offense. The offense didn't have DL beating blocks with any consistency, cover guys were beaten, and the offense simply didn't look sharp even on open plays.
This isn't "anything bad happens is on us". It depends on if the D is in position to cause a problem or not. If they aren't and we mess up it's on us.
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bigman, if you guys block a punt win the turnover battle, Antwan Goodley drops 3 balls that hit him in the middle of the 5 while Tevin Reese drops another that hits between the 1 and the 6, all 4 wide open...as in non one within 5 yards of the receiver... two of them on conversion downs, and Baylor commits a stupid block in the back and an ineligible down field penalty on first down receptions...
I think you guys may only be down 10 at the end.
I think you guys may only be down 10 at the end.
Put it this way. KSU has a better ability at slowing the game down than us and they still failed. Baylor was inconsistent and still managed 35 points on the road.
That has to be how it would go down since the offense is so great, only the elite can outgain KSU by a yard. Or you can force them to sustain drives and watch them fall apart.
I think we're far to beat up to win Saturday, especially on offense. But KSU proved that anyone with a rushing attack and an average bend but don't break D can more than "hang" with Baylor.
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I am not saying our team as a whole is a world beater, we are average on D and very very good on offense. If our offense plays sloppy half our schedule can beat us. If they don't the number of teams that can beat us goes down significantly.
I have to admit that I was surprised about how poorly we played against the run... since KSU last year we have been great at run stops and a little shaky vs. passing teams... it's one of the reasons that I felt so confident going in... so yeah I was a little stressed in the 4th, but everyone will have a down game at some point... Not everyone will win that down game...especially on the road...
There two ways to hang with Baylor, either score as often as they do, or control the clock with sustained drives and keep the ball out of their hands. Basically, we have to bake a cake, but we have no flour. No way ISU keeps this close. 3 and outs against Baylor will have our D dead by the end of the first quarter. I'll be surprised if Baylor doesn't have at least 21 points by the end of the first quarter. Our D is just going to be on the field far too much, just like always and against Baylor, that's a death sentence.
