Re: Rashad Vaughn
There it is again. If you must resort to a fallacy, you probably need to rethink your position.
Rashad Vaughn - Not going to ISU
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Kentucky would be a safe place to go because even if he under performs (which is likely for a lot of 5 stars who wind up at Kentucky) it's easy for scouts/coaches to use the excuse that with all of the talent, it's hard to get a read of just how explosive a player could be if he were the alpha dog. So they base the pick more off of potential.
At ISU, Rashad would be the alpha dog and have all kinds of freedom. It just depends how well he performs in that role. If he succeeds in it his stat line would look a lot better than if he were at UK and he would still get plenty of national exposure (assuming ISU's a top 10 team which is very achievable). And lets keep in mind we have Fred Hoiberg as a coach. He's got connection to all 32 GM's in his right pocket and was able to get Royce drafted in the mid first round when he obviously had troubles. I wouldn't bet against Fred he can get Rashad drafted as high/higher than Calipari. Especially when a player's as easy to sell as RV.
Kentucky would be a safe place to go because even if he under performs (which is likely for a lot of 5 stars who wind up at Kentucky) it's easy for scouts/coaches to use the excuse that with all of the talent, it's hard to get a read of just how explosive a player could be if he were the alpha dog. So they base the pick more off of potential.
At ISU, Rashad would be the alpha dog and have all kinds of freedom. It just depends how well he performs in that role. If he succeeds in it his stat line would look a lot better than if he were at UK and he would still get plenty of national exposure (assuming ISU's a top 10 team which is very achievable). And lets keep in mind we have Fred Hoiberg as a coach. He's got connection to all 32 GM's in his right pocket and was able to get Royce drafted in the mid first round when he obviously had troubles. I wouldn't bet against Fred he can get Rashad drafted as high/higher than Calipari. Especially when a player's as easy to sell as RV.
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Would another Kentucky NIT birth be enough to stop the pipeline of five star recruits? If Calipari misses the tournament two years in a row, I hope these kids grow some sense.
Would another Kentucky NIT birth be enough to stop the pipeline of five star recruits? If Calipari misses the tournament two years in a row, I hope these kids grow some sense.
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I can't believe people are arguing about where Vaughn would get more exposure. We play in the B12, he'll get plenty of exposure at either school. If you can play, the NBA will find you. Giannis Anteokounmpo was drafted in the first round out of a low level Greek league last year. Whether he plays at ISU or Kentucky, scouts will have plenty of opportunities to see him.
I can't believe people are arguing about where Vaughn would get more exposure. We play in the B12, he'll get plenty of exposure at either school. If you can play, the NBA will find you. Giannis Anteokounmpo was drafted in the first round out of a low level Greek league last year. Whether he plays at ISU or Kentucky, scouts will have plenty of opportunities to see him.
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I hope this happens. Imagine how much better college bball would be, if you sprinkle these stud freshmen among experienced, highly talented schools across the major conferences.
Schools like Iowa St., Oregon, Wisconsin, Villanova, or even Iowa would be so much better with just one of the top kids.
I hope this happens. Imagine how much better college bball would be, if you sprinkle these stud freshmen among experienced, highly talented schools across the major conferences.
Schools like Iowa St., Oregon, Wisconsin, Villanova, or even Iowa would be so much better with just one of the top kids.
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I don't know. We definitely could use some more exposure. We only had 25 nba scouts at the Michigan game in Hilton. We need to get that number closer to 30 if we want to get Vaughn. :spinny:
I don't know. We definitely could use some more exposure. We only had 25 nba scouts at the Michigan game in Hilton. We need to get that number closer to 30 if we want to get Vaughn. :spinny:
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Why the facts back it up. ISU puts kids in the draft 2.08 times higher than their recruiting ranking would predict on average kentucky 1.4 times iirc. Both are very good but ISU has one of the top Draft conversion rates in the country. Look at the link I posted. This is a strength of ISU, I dont know why a fan would downplay it.
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Yes they do, and the fact you knew 4 of the starters going into the game speeaks to the state of thier program Young is a player, though he finished behind Man-Man for Michigan's Mr. Basketball. They were predicted before the season starts a potential 6 NBA first rounders in this upcoming draft. Like coach Cal or not he get's top talent and prepairs them for the NBA and gets them there. He has the facilities and NBA connections (remember he coached in the league) to do so. Every gasme they there will be multiple NBA scouts in attendence, which if your goal is a one and done is appealing.
There is nothing wrong with Vaughn considering them, though I hope he values his relationship with Fred, CFH nba connections, and Hilton more. Plus as long as the Cyclones keep winning the National exposure gap will shrink. Case in point ISU already jumped to 3 big monday games this year, End the year ranked and there may be a 4th added for next year. 5 years ago that didn't seem like a possibility.
BTW - NBA Players from Kentucky last year.
Noel - 6th
Goodwin - 29th
UK did have 4 first rounders including 1 ans 2 in 2012
Yes they do, and the fact you knew 4 of the starters going into the game speeaks to the state of thier program Young is a player, though he finished behind Man-Man for Michigan's Mr. Basketball. They were predicted before the season starts a potential 6 NBA first rounders in this upcoming draft. Like coach Cal or not he get's top talent and prepairs them for the NBA and gets them there. He has the facilities and NBA connections (remember he coached in the league) to do so. Every gasme they there will be multiple NBA scouts in attendence, which if your goal is a one and done is appealing.
There is nothing wrong with Vaughn considering them, though I hope he values his relationship with Fred, CFH nba connections, and Hilton more. Plus as long as the Cyclones keep winning the National exposure gap will shrink. Case in point ISU already jumped to 3 big monday games this year, End the year ranked and there may be a 4th added for next year. 5 years ago that didn't seem like a possibility.
BTW - NBA Players from Kentucky last year.
Noel - 6th
Goodwin - 29th
UK did have 4 first rounders including 1 ans 2 in 2012
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But RV is not one of those players that would raise this conversion rate. Were not talking about a 3* kid here. He's already a top talent. UK's conversion # is low because they bring in 5 of the top ten. Obviously not all 5 are gunna be drafted in the top ten. Although the did have the top two once, which is very impressive.
Not on one side or the other on this argument, just stating facts.
But RV is not one of those players that would raise this conversion rate. Were not talking about a 3* kid here. He's already a top talent. UK's conversion # is low because they bring in 5 of the top ten. Obviously not all 5 are gunna be drafted in the top ten. Although the did have the top two once, which is very impressive.
Not on one side or the other on this argument, just stating facts.
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Cal may be thinking this too... They signed Tyler Ulis out from under Fran and Iowa. Ulis a PG is a 4 year player.
Cal may be thinking this too... They signed Tyler Ulis out from under Fran and Iowa. Ulis a PG is a 4 year player.
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If you convert better than average your 5* talent your rate will go up. It really doesnt matter what * type you recruit because it compares how you do versus the averages. They actually mention that if you only looked at the calipari years at kentucky they would be also be one of the top as his conversion rate is close to 2 as well. This is really a purely subjective look at a schools success at nba development. And it is a strength of ISU.
If you convert better than average your 5* talent your rate will go up. It really doesnt matter what * type you recruit because it compares how you do versus the averages. They actually mention that if you only looked at the calipari years at kentucky they would be also be one of the top as his conversion rate is close to 2 as well. This is really a purely subjective look at a schools success at nba development. And it is a strength of ISU.
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"In the period of our study, 15% of 2-Star recruits and 13% of non-rated recruits at Iowa State were drafted into the NBA. *This is very impressive given the overall national draft rates: 0.8% for 2-Star recruits and 0.4% for non-rated recruits! *Furthermore, two 3-Star recruits were drafted from Iowa State. *Iowa State did a remarkable job of converting its available talent into NBA draft picks."
As mentioned if you only looked at the calipari years UKs conversion rate would be just under 2 but would lead the SEC (but still behind ISU)
Someone at ISU should make a chart of the draft conversion rates of just the 8 schools rashad is considering. With an explanation of what draft converasion rates are and hand it to him and say "We get people to the NBA because we make them better. We do this with 2* guys imagine what we could do with you."
"In the period of our study, 15% of 2-Star recruits and 13% of non-rated recruits at Iowa State were drafted into the NBA. *This is very impressive given the overall national draft rates: 0.8% for 2-Star recruits and 0.4% for non-rated recruits! *Furthermore, two 3-Star recruits were drafted from Iowa State. *Iowa State did a remarkable job of converting its available talent into NBA draft picks."
As mentioned if you only looked at the calipari years UKs conversion rate would be just under 2 but would lead the SEC (but still behind ISU)
Someone at ISU should make a chart of the draft conversion rates of just the 8 schools rashad is considering. With an explanation of what draft converasion rates are and hand it to him and say "We get people to the NBA because we make them better. We do this with 2* guys imagine what we could do with you."
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Which is why if I am a top-20 player, I am looking elsewhere. Look at their current roster, a couple players ranked even higher than RV are seeing their stock drop. There is only so opportunities with one ball and 200 minutes. Not getting the ball and potentially only playing 20 minutes a game for a season does not help anyone, even top recruits.
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This argument really doesn't matter. RV will play in the NBA. WHERE HE GOES TO SCHOOL WILL NOT CHANGE THAT
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Empirical evidence that we are one of the best in the country at developing talent doesnt help our cause? He went to findlay because he wante wanted to get better. This matters to him.
Empirical evidence that we are one of the best in the country at developing talent doesnt help our cause? He went to findlay because he wante wanted to get better. This matters to him.
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And if someone shows him such a chart he'll think we are complete dorks.
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