IOWA vs IOWA STATE

[bawbie]

It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Gesell guard Kane for much of the game. He's smaller but a really good defender and he doesn't need to produce on offense.

Please please please. This would be even better than a zone!

 

[Thomasrickj]

Uhmmm, Iowa fan.

Is he an Iowa fan? Man, I feel like such a tool since I thought he was an ISU fan! Can't help but laugh at myself now.

 

[CyFan61]

I just lol at the hoks for thinking the should be top 20 right now. For what? These are the teams they beat all at home or on a neutral court. They also barely got by Xavier and Notre Dame on a neutral court


Abilene Christian (3-8, Southland)?
Fair Dickson (3-9, NEC)?
Maryland Eastern (2-4,MEAC)?
UTEP(5-4, C-USA)?
UNO (6-3, summit league)?
Penn (2-6, Ivy league)?
Or Drake?

For comparison, our opponents so far:

UNC-Wilmington: 6-5, Colonial
Texas A&M-CC: 3-8, Southland
Michigan: 6-3, B1G
BYU: 7-3, WCC
UMKC: 2-6, WAC
Auburn: 4-3, SEC
UNI: 3-5, MVC

Michigan and BYU have not done us any favors either, losing games to Charlotte, Duke, Wichita State, and UMass.

 

[bos]

For comparison, our opponents so far:

UNC-Wilmington: 6-5, Colonial
Texas A&M-CC: 3-8, Southland
Michigan: 6-3, B1G
BYU: 7-3, WCC
UMKC: 2-6, WAC
Auburn: 4-3, SEC
UNI: 3-5, MVC

Michigan and BYU have not done us any favors either, losing games to Charlotte, Duke, Wichita State, and UMass.

Got to give those three credit though. There is only 2 losses in all three combined and they are all ranked. Michigan and BYU are still quality wins.

And honestly Charlotte doesnt suck. They have 2 losses, which might be a head scratcher, but they have a win over a KSU and Michigan, so they must have some talent.

 

[carvers4math]

Keep in mind they also have talented players in McCabe, Olaseni, Oglesby, Jok, and Uthoff coming off the bench.


I just lol at the hoks for thinking the should be top 20 right now. For what? These are the teams they beat all at home or on a neutral court. They also barely got by Xavier and Notre Dame on a neutral court


Abilene Christian (3-8, Southland)?
Fair Dickson (3-9, NEC)?
Maryland Eastern (2-4,MEAC)?
UTEP(5-4, C-USA)?
UNO (6-3, summit league)?
Penn (2-6, Ivy league)?
Or Drake?


I guess if they were a division 2 team I could give them a top 20. I just don't think they need to be ranked any higher. When their conference comes around and when they play Wisconsin, OSU, MSU, MU on the road then we can talk. Overall I think they screwed themselves over with that pathetic non con schedule

I thought they barely got by Notre Dame in Iowa City? Which, given the pictures in this thread, may be a neutral court?

 

[Cydkar]

Is he an Iowa fan? Man, I feel like such a tool since I thought he was an ISU fan! Can't help but laugh at myself now.

He is. I was waiting for a "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" quote from you. :smile:

 

[vacyclone]

Over on HN, there's a thread showing each player's top scoring game. His point was to "get a better picture of the scoring potential on this roster". It's obviously debatable whether or not this means anything, but I think it at least adds something to the discussion, in terms of talent and potential. So, I wanted to post a quick comparison with our guys.

My thoughts:
- Iowa has played 11 games, while we've only had 7.
- Our top 8 can all score in bunches. Only the #1 spot is higher for Iowa.
- Olaseni's high was 10 before last night, which would skew the list even more towards ISU.
- Gesell and Woodbury are a solid 9/10, which I guess you can say makes them "deeper". How many good teams are playing their 9/10 players when it matters, though?
- I don't know anything about their bottom 4, but they haven't shown anything yet in scoring (feel free to correct me if they bring something else to the table). By my count, they have 10 "contributors". I think that Bluford, Edozie, and Gibson are capable of being "contributors", giving us 11. Note: Rereading this makes my homer-alert go off, but I'm going to leave it in .

Iowa	Pts	ISU	Pts
Marble	30	Long	26
White	22	Ejim	22
Uthoff	19	Niang	22
Jok	15	Hogue	22
Basabe	15	Kane	21
McCabe	14	SDW	17
Olaseni	14	Thomas	14
Clemmons	11	Morris	12
Gesell	10	Bluford	6
Woodbury	9	Ellerman	5
Denning	3	Edozie	4
Meyer	3	Gibson	4
Ukah	2
Stokes	2

 

[CyFan61]

Got to give those three credit though. There is only 2 losses in all three combined and they are all ranked. Michigan and BYU are still quality wins.

For sure; just would be nice to have Michigan and BYU with one loss apiece at the hands of Hoiball

 

[MNCyGuy]

Over on HN, there's a thread showing each player's top scoring game. His point was to "get a better picture of the scoring potential on this roster". It's obviously debatable whether or not this means anything, but I think it at least adds something to the discussion, in terms of talent and potential. So, I wanted to post a quick comparison with our guys.

My thoughts:
- Iowa has played 11 games, while we've only had 7.
- Our top 8 can all score in bunches. Only the #1 spot is higher for Iowa.
- Olaseni's high was 10 before last night, which would skew the list even more towards ISU.
- Gesell and Woodbury are a solid 9/10, which I guess you can say makes them "deeper". How many good teams are playing their 9/10 players when it matters, though?
- I don't know anything about their bottom 4, but they haven't shown anything yet in scoring (feel free to correct me if they bring something else to the table). By my count, they have 10 "contributors". I think that Bluford, Edozie, and Gibson are capable of being "contributors", giving us 11. Note: Rereading this makes my homer-alert go off, but I'm going to leave it in .

Iowa	Pts	ISU	Pts
Marble	30	Long	26
White	22	Ejim	22
Uthoff	19	Niang	22
Jok	15	Hogue	22
Basabe	15	Kane	21
McCabe	14	SDW	17
Olaseni	14	Thomas	14
Clemmons	11	Morris	12
Gesell	10	Bluford	6
Woodbury	9	Ellerman	5
Denning	3	Edozie	4
Meyer	3	Gibson	4
Ukah	2
Stokes	2

Totally relevant. I'm sure every player on both teams will score career highs.

 

[bos]

For sure; just would be nice to have Michigan and BYU with one loss apiece at the hands of Hoiball

I think both of them will look much better by tourney time. Hope anyway.

 

[vacyclone]

Obviously, that isn't the point. The point is what players might be capable of IF they go off. I think it shows that we have more of those guys. That's it.

 

[Cydkar]

Useless unless you want to further expand to compensate for minutes played. If somebody does that...it's still useless.

 

[carvers4math]

Useless unless you want to further expand to compensate for minutes played. If somebody does that...it's still useless.

Agreed. Ellerman could have had a dozen against the Roos if they hadn't put their better big guy back in on him and Dorsey-Walker wanted to give him the ball once in a while. What exactly would that mean in these stats? I do like him lined up opposite Woodbury though in the chart.

 

[MNCyGuy]

Obviously, that isn't the point. The point is what players might be capable of IF they go off. I think it shows that we have more of those guys. That's it.

If you're trying to do that, wouldn't a better comparison be # of games in which the player has been the team's leading scorer? Even that would be kind of a clunky stat, but I think it would get you closer to the breakdown this guy is actually trying to make.

 

[ISU_Clone_28]

More important at this time of the week, is what will fans to do combat the insufferable fan base that wins the game Friday?

I will bet that if ISU wins, Hok fan will immediately switch the subject to football, bowl games, and ISU FB record. If Iowa wins, Clone fans comeback will be about last year, the NIT, and Baylor.

Me personally I'll congratulate ISU, and root for them to win the Big12, F Kansas, and K Okie St.!

I was thinking this as well.... Personally I hate the "Baylor just dunked again" thing anymore. At first it was somewhat funny but after Baylor mud stomped ISU in football... the "Baylor just scored again" would be about equally humiliating. If Iowa wins I already know at least 2 friends of mine that will be claiming Iowa to win the national championship... Heck one of them already bet on it on the vegas line.

 

[CyBri]

Iowa tried to make their non conference schedule better this year but have had some bad luck with it. Battle of Atlantis was supposed to be their chance to get some big name matchups but then they got by Xavier who then went 0-3 down there, didn't get a chance to play Tennessee and then didn't get the big name loss to Kansas. Combine that with Notre Dame not being very good when they were preseason ranked it hasn't given them many opportunities. They really need to do a home/home with a big name school next year but so far they've done what was expected to this point but I still think the jury is still out to see how good they are. Probably won't get a real feel for them as a team until conference play.

They do. Its us. :smile:

 

[vacyclone]

If you're trying to do that, wouldn't a better comparison be # of games in which the player has been the team's leading scorer? Even that would be kind of a clunky stat, but I think it would get you closer to the breakdown this guy is actually trying to make.

Okay, all good points. Maybe it doesn't mean anything. I still thought it was an interesting comparison to do.

 

[HerkClone]

40 pages of Iowa obsession. LOL

I can't imagine the melt down if Iowa beats ISU Friday. I'm a fan of both teams but this is hilarious.

 

[HerkClone]

Their depth is a media illusion.

Go on......This should be good

 

[HerkClone]

ISU will end up with a better SOS since they haven't played their tourney but yeah, I posted above what I thought about Iowa's non conf schedule

But your entire post was about how Iowa hadn't played anyone LOL. This is funny to read.