Game of Thrones Season 4

[ISUKing]

I think its funny that this thread goes for a few hours of reasonable back and forth. Then has a bunch of complaining about spoilers, then goes back to commentary. Rinse and repeat.

I think the mods are doing a great job. I have been checking pretty regularly and haven't seen any actual spoilers. I don't consider someone being convinced its the pie or the wine based on opinion a spoiler.

Good work mods!

 

[Gnomeborg]

... I was gonna say....

I've been reading this thread, but mostly keeping my mouth shut, because a lot of the discussion is about stuff that I already know the answer to. But the point of theorizing on a show like this is only a small percentage about figuring out what's going on before you're specially told, while mostly being about the process.

And I thought we book people were doing well keeping things

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Sorry to anyone that's accidentally clicked on something I've posted. I promise that most of what I put in my spoilers is not accurate. And even if it is accurate, it's so skewed in presentation to invalidate its accuracy.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

See, I think of posts like this as spoilers. (Not big ones by any means.) It's one thing when people post them as opinions with reasoning (however solid or flawed that reasoning might be), but another just to list them as seemingly fact.

I guess this is only true if it's pointed out that it is the wine in the book. I just don't see the need to bring future book facts into the TV show thread. Obviously doesn't bother me too much since I keep opening the thread, just stating my opinion.

I haven't read the books. It just seems obvious to me that it was the wine. The way they shot it and everything. I could be wrong but I doubt it.

 

[Daserop]

keep up the good work mods. I feel fortunate that the mods have read the books (to my knowledge) and can tell when a post contains spoilers in it and can delete it as soon as they can. It can also be hard to determine if a post is a user's best guess / theory, or, if the user is truly being an *** and wanting to spoil something.

 

[Angie]

Thanks to those who are trying to help, and who appreciate what the intent is - and please, definitely report something if it's a spoiler and we haven't caught it. If those of us who are moderating this thread aren't online, the other mods who haven't seen the show can see the report and grab it.

 

[Mr Janny]

To be fair, I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to have the story spoiled for them. I'm glad people are so affected by the series, especially because comparatively, the purple wedding is such a small part of the book. I can't wait to see people's reactions when

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Arya and Jaquen h'ghar reunite in King's Landing and murder Cersei

Not to mention

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Bran's death during the invasion of the Summer Islanders

I suspect we'll have our hands full deleting spoilers during those episodes.

 

[Gnomeborg]

enough spoiler de-rail!

People, keep discussing who you think murdered Joff.

 

[boone7247]

I haven't read the books. It just seems obvious to me that it was the wine. The way they shot it and everything. I could be wrong but I doubt it.

If it wasn't the wine, why go to all that trouble to implicate the Imp. I have not read the books, just don't see the point of setting all that up to implicate Tyrion. I could be wrong, and that would be awesome cause it would mean that I have guess wrong way more than I have guessed right in this series.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

If it wasn't the wine, why go to all that trouble to implicate the Imp. I have not read the books, just don't see the point of setting all that up to implicate Tyrion. I could be wrong, and that would be awesome cause it would mean that I have guess wrong way more than I have guessed right in this series.

I think the show is just indicating that he is going to be implicated because it obviously looks like he would be the one to do it, but I think it also is a situation where there is no way the assassin would be so obvious.

I think too many people ate the cake for it to be that as well.

Also, the focus on the grandmother and the fact that the imps wife set the cup next to the grandmother right before the poisoning are suspicious to me.

 

[HFCS]

I think the show is just indicating that he is going to be implicated because it obviously looks like he would be the one to do it, but I think it also is a situation where there is no way the assassin would be so obvious.

I think too many people ate the cake for it to be that as well.

Also, the focus on the grandmother and the fact that the imps wife set the cup next to her right before the poisoning are suspicious to me.

Cersei's character seems like she'd blame Tyrion instantly even if he were 100s of miles away at the time.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Cersei's character seems like she'd blame Tyrion instantly even if he were 100s of miles away at the time.

Agreed. And it will be easy to blame various characters since everyone hated him so much.

 

[mkcrawford]

I think the show is just indicating that he is going to be implicated because it obviously looks like he would be the one to do it, but I think it also is a situation where there is no way the assassin would be so obvious.

I think too many people ate the cake for it to be that as well.

Also, the focus on the grandmother and the fact that the imps wife set the cup next to the grandmother right before the poisoning are suspicious to me.

Actually, it was Margery that set the cup next to the grandmother right before Joffrey sliced the pie. I re-watched it again last night and have a new theory. Still the grandmother, but she has an accomplice...

 

[mdclone]

Actually, it was Margery that set the cup next to the grandmother right before Joffrey sliced the pie. I re-watched it again last night and have a new theory. Still the grandmother, but she has an accomplice...

Plus the fool must be in on it since he was trying to get Sansa to leave as soon as Joffrey started coughing.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Actually, it was Margery that set the cup next to the grandmother right before Joffrey sliced the pie. I re-watched it again last night and have a new theory. Still the grandmother, but she has an accomplice...

Yeah my mistake, you're right.

 

[ISUME]

That is why the grandmother previously asked Sansa about what Joffrey was really like. Once the grandmother found out Joffrey was a **** she didn't want her grand daughter married to him.

 

[mkcrawford]

Plus the fool must be in on it since he was trying to get Sansa to leave as soon as Joffrey started coughing.

I am thinking those droplets on the necklace he gave Sansa were filled with poison and when the Grandmother was talking to Sansa toward the beginning of that scene, she took one of the droplets.

 

[CycloneWarning]

I am thinking those droplets on the necklace he gave Sansa were filled with poison and when the Grandmother was talking to Sansa toward the beginning of that scene, she took one of the droplets.

Plus the earlier scene with Olenna and Maergary looking over necklaces and Olenna sending the entourage of girls out to find necklaces. What looked like a toss away scene now has some new light. All of this attention on necklaces has to mean something.

 

[NorthCyd]

After watching again I still say it's the pie....

Ok, it's not the pie. I guess I'm going with the Sansa theory with help from Dontos. She had direct access to the cup right before he had the last drink. The only problem I had with this theory is that was an awfully fortuitous circumastance that led to the cup being in her hands. But I suppose if the plan was to poison him when the opportunity arrises she may have been ready to take advantage of the moment. Both of them definitely had as much motivation as anyone to kill him. I suppose it could have been one of the Tyrell's, but they have as much to lose as to gain IMO.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I am thinking those droplets on the necklace he gave Sansa were filled with poison and when the Grandmother was talking to Sansa toward the beginning of that scene, she took one of the droplets.

Yep. You can actually see it in the episode. It's on camera.

 

[Daserop]

"Poison is a women's weapon". I know that quote was stated in season 1 don't remember from who thou. The other question is whom orchestrated this operation to kill the king. This was not a one person job.