Iowa State vs South Carolina

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I'd like it better, too, with a few more toughies. My basic point in response to twocoach, there's bound to be some lag time with what you could get, and what you'd like to schedule.

Iowa State has more "leverage" now even compared to 2012-13 ... maybe the final open slots in 14-15 will be somebody like Oregon and Memphis. (Just tossing out a couple of names). If those were added to existing slate, I think that would be a challenging non-con at this point, especially putting it next to any ISU schedule in recent memory.

Would that be on a level twocoach would say qualifies as "making hay" on recent success?

Yep. That's how Gonzaga and Memphis got themselves to where they are today, teams that weren't traditional powers but who now get great recruits and are regularly ranked and making the tourney. They had to take on even more tough non-con games because they are in such weak conferences. ISU would be fine with just one or two a year since they will have double digit games against tourney teams in the Big 12.

It's like the old adage "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have." You gotta schedule like you're a big time team for people to see you as a big time team. Those in the know already see that ISU is a great team that is building a great program that will be stable and successful consistently.

When Joe Public is tuning in to games and the announcers are lauding it as a great non-con match between good tourney caliber teams and ISU is one of the teams playing, it goes a long way.
 

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I hope South Carolina isn't TCU bad next season. What do they have coming in?

No they aren't THAT bad. They were around RPI 140 or so last year. For reference, Texas Tech was in the 120s and TCU in the 220s. So somewhere in the ballpark of ISU opponents from last year Texas Tech and George Mason.
 

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Serious question for twocoach. Why does KU refuse to play Wichita State? Nebraska plays Creighton, Oklahoma and OSU have played Tulsa, Iowa State plays UNI or Drake. Just trying to figure out why Kansas refuses a neutral site game against arguably the second best team in the state.
 

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Serious question for twocoach. Why does KU refuse to play Wichita State? Nebraska plays Creighton, Oklahoma and OSU have played Tulsa, Iowa State plays UNI or Drake. Just trying to figure out why Kansas refuses a neutral site game against arguably the second best team in the state.

Because Kansas likes to use their road games to go to big cities outside their area and recruit. KU plays @Temple and @Georgetown this year and will have return games with San Diego State and New Mexico soon.

Why play @Wichita State? We already get all their good recruits. The two highest scorers in Wichita HS basketball history are both current Jayhawks in Ellis and Frankamp. Playing @Wichita State would be a wasted road trip.
 

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Apparently you decided to ignore the part about a neutral site. Secondly are there alot of big recruits out of Albuquerque. Fairly certain WSU would take a neutral at Kansas City.
 

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Because Kansas likes to use their road games to go to big cities outside their area and recruit. KU plays @Temple and @Georgetown this year and will have return games with San Diego State and New Mexico soon.

Why play @Wichita State? We already get all their good recruits. The two highest scorers in Wichita HS basketball history are both current Jayhawks in Ellis and Frankamp. Playing @Wichita State would be a wasted road trip.

He never said it had to be a road game.
 

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But there isn't any difference in the "the elite teams will only play other elite teams". ISU is every bit the team that Texas is and Texas got a series with Michigan State booked. Teams don't need to be afraid to lose at Hilton because in this day and age a loss on the road against ISU counts for more than a win at home against a cream puff. SoS and resume are relied on more and more for tourney seedings. More teams seem to be willing to risk a loss on the road for the exposure and SoS bump. With ISU being a regular in the rankings these days, I'd bet they start to see teams taking them up on these offers soon.

If you think that ISU has the same ability to pull MSU to a home and home, you are beyond handicapped. You would have to be the dumbest person on the internet. I'm not selling ISU Short. I think talent wise and coaching wise they are as good or better than Texas, but come on use your brain. There's a ******* reason the school got 25 mil for building their own longhorn network.

Only a KU fan would be dumb enough to think its only about basketball skill and scheduling opportunities just pop up because your team is good. You don't think that ESPN/Fox has something to say in swaying teams, or that the Texas Athletic department doesn't employ other avenues to influence their schedule outside of their Basketball program. Scheduling for Texas is nothing like scheduling for ISU even during the ISU hot streaks. You can really be clueless sometimes.

It isn't selling ISU short, when we know that Half the Big 10 has been pussing out now for years. Virginia bought out of their return trip and wanted nothing to do with coming to Hilton. Thad Said never again, Michigan said never again and they knew better, they didn't want to come in the first place. A large part of why we were able to get them into Hilton was Because of the Johnny Tribute. We've been trying for years with Minnesota, and Wisconsin has said no thanks.

On top of that, you do realize that ISU still had the 21st toughest schedule out of 345 last year. They are looking for good home/home games, but Won't go 2 for one, like NC, Indiana and Illinois have demanded in the past. We've had to get creative to get Duke on the schedule playing in Chicago. They said No F'n way to playing in Hilton. In recent years we've played Duke, Michigan, Virginia, Ohio State, BYU, (one of the best home court advantages in the country) UNLV, Cal, Houston Minnesota and Creighton on top of playing Iowa and UNI every year. I think ISU has almost always scheduled appropriately. I think they will round out the schedule in an intelligent way again this year. Fred will decide whether we need a fully active roster to go after another solid game or not. if he decides to wait for the full roster and confernce play this year I'm good with his judgement.
 
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. We've been trying for years with Minnesota, and Wisconsin has said no thanks.


ISU has taken player out of Wisc and Minn and looks to do it again. For them bring ISU into their state to play a game wouldn't be very smart.
 

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Tuco theres a huge difference between Texas and ISU. Hilton.

And ESPN. Long Horn network wants content am sure that is a factor. Also a factor that th Kansas brand makes it easy for folks to justify that game. One near gurenteed loss with less the upside of playing us exposure and recruiting wise we aren't going to get too many of these games. Why again won't UK play Wichita st?
 

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ISU has taken player out of Wisc and Minn and looks to do it again. For them bring ISU into their state to play a game wouldn't be very smart.

I keep hearing this and I can see it with Minnesota but is it really that big of a deal to play ONE game? Maybe it is, idk.
 

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Wasn't Hoiberg quoted as saying he wanted Florida or Kentucky in the SEC challenge? Pretty sure isu isn't ducking competition. To expect isu to only get road games to get good teams is silly. Would be dumb to take more series like Michigan where you play on the road and don't get a home game with them for 3 years
 

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And ESPN. Long Horn network wants content am sure that is a factor. Also a factor that th Kansas brand makes it easy for folks to justify that game. One near gurenteed loss with less the upside of playing us exposure and recruiting wise we aren't going to get too many of these games. Why again won't UK play Wichita st?

I have no idea why Kentucky won't play Wichita State, especially after they beat them in the tourney.
 

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Wasn't Hoiberg quoted as saying he wanted Florida or Kentucky in the SEC challenge? Pretty sure isu isn't ducking competition. To expect isu to only get road games to get good teams is silly. Would be dumb to take more series like Michigan where you play on the road and don't get a home game with them for 3 years

No one is saying take ONLY a road game. Typically a home/home series means that one of the two games will be on the road...
 

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Remember guys, twotroll is a genius who is always right. The guy is a stupid troll and a total idiot and clown.

There is no right orwrong in a conversation about an opinion. It's my opinion that ISU should capitalize as quick as possible on their rising profile and national respect and try to sign some solid teams to home/home series. I get that it may be a year or two before they come to fruition but I hope they are pushing for it. I am not saying they aren't just that I think that it would be a good thing to do. If ISU still has two non-con dates to fill then the S.C. game in Brooklyn is a decent filler game. They should smoke South Carolina pretty easily and have a major conference pelt on their resume at a neutral site. Every game away from home helps the resume.

Like I said, it's just my opinion. Some people seem to agree, some disagree. No biggie. There's no wrong answer in a conversation provided it's a sharing of opinions on the conversation. I am sure some ISU fans also want to see ISU play a few good tough games that will have the team being talked about nationally. How hard it is to get those games is an endless debate because we have no idea who has and has not been contacted and what the offers were.
 

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No one is saying take ONLY a road game. Typically a home/home series means that one of the two games will be on the road...

Yeah, and no one wants to lose in the Hilton. One can justify losing at the phog but isu doesn't have the name brand yet.
It's the same thing as KU not playing WSU.
 

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I keep hearing this and I can see it with Minnesota but is it really that big of a deal to play ONE game? Maybe it is, idk.

I wouldn't book a series with ISU if I was Minnesota. a) it will highlight how far from being a good team Minnesota is and b) the Minnesota recruiting grounds produce a LOT more good recruits than the Iowa recruiting grounds. It's a really bad idea for Minnesota to do that series. They would just be showcasing a better place to go that's close enough to home.
 

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There is no right orwrong in a conversation about an opinion. It's my opinion that ISU should capitalize as quick as possible on their rising profile and national respect and try to sign some solid teams to home/home series. I get that it may be a year or two before they come to fruition but I hope they are pushing for it. I am not saying they aren't just that I think that it would be a good thing to do. If ISU still has two non-con dates to fill then the S.C. game in Brooklyn is a decent filler game. They should smoke South Carolina pretty easily and have a major conference pelt on their resume at a neutral site. Every game away from home helps the resume.

Like I said, it's just my opinion. Some people seem to agree, some disagree. No biggie. There's no wrong answer in a conversation provided it's a sharing of opinions on the conversation. I am sure some ISU fans also want to see ISU play a few good tough games that will have the team being talked about nationally. How hard it is to get those games is an endless debate because we have no idea who has and has not been contacted and what the offers were.
Don't you have better things to do than post in our forum, yet not make a single valid remark all while being a Jayhawk troll and tool?