targeting penalty

[3TrueFans]

Thankfully? Refs are still calling it as if the ejection can be overturned...and you get the Cotton-Moya instance in game 1 where the WR fell right into him, but he is ejected. They really need more training in officiating this area.

You could always overturn the ejection, but in years past the penalty would always stay which was stupid. Now you can review the ejection and if it isn't warranted you can take away the penalty too, that's a good change.

 

[3TrueFans]

Medders also popped right up. If he had laid on the ground for a few seconds he might have drawn a flag. The flag on Lomax on the hit on Jarvis was late too.

It wasn't late, but Jarvis was a defenseless receiver at that time.

 

[CYme]

If Lomax had actually tried to TACKLE, you know, by wrapping his arms, he wouldn't have gotten the penalty.

Lesson for defensive players, if you lead with your helmet, shoulder or forearm, you are getting a penalty. Head up, arms out, no penalty. Very simple.

 

[Rods79]

You could always overturn the ejection, but in years past the penalty would always stay which was stupid. Now you can review the ejection and if it isn't warranted you can take away the penalty too, that's a good change.

You're right...that was stupid. But now I think they are more inclined to feel there is some sort of penalty there, intentional or not, and the player is now gone...end of story. Seems like it is much harder to overturn the penalty (which is the only thing in question now...not the ejection).

 

[Cubsfan]

"what the hell else is he supposed to do?" QUOTE]

See I think it is this mentality that is the issue that football in general has to figure out. I love football, I really do, but I believe we could see the game come to an end within the decade if we can't get these head trauma issues worked out. Either through better technology or a change in the way we view the process of tackling. We can all say "that is football" and pretend like it doesn't matter when guys are getting concussions on a regular basis or we can stop saying "what else are they supposed to do?". I will tell you what they are supposed to do? Not frigging leave their feet and launch themselves at a guy that is clearly already being tackled. The defensive back in this case was clearly trying to force the defender to dislodge the ball (in case he caught it). He was not trying to tackle him in way. This was clearly an example of a defender trying to use his 200 pound body as a battering ram to dislodge the ball from the offensive player. I am not pointing fingers at the Iowa player - all defensive backs do this. That is the issue though. We the fans need to accept that we have gotten so used to defensive players crushing defenseless offensive players and we relish the big hits and we forget that this is the issue. He did not have to launch himself at the offensive player, he could have put himself into a position to tackle the player without trying to physically assault him like a battering ram. That is what he could have done. We need to realize and encourage that or I believe this game is going to die. If it takes more ejections to force coaches and players to realize that is the way the game needs to be played, then so be it. (rant done)

This is a long post, but everyone should read it. Bob Costas spoke in DM this year and made the point that almost every play in the NFL ends in a "big hit," not a tackle. I know it is a "violent" sport, but the way things are right now is not sustainable long term for the game of football.

 

[3TrueFans]

You're right...that was stupid. But now I think they are more inclined to feel there is some sort of penalty there, intentional or not, and the player is now gone...end of story. Seems like it is much harder to overturn the penalty (which is the only thing in question now...not the ejection).

It's possible, they may err on the side of safety knowing they can overturn the penalty and ejection, I don't know that that's necessarily a bad thing though. I think in these first two targeting penalties we've seen this season they got them both right.

 

[Cyclone1985]

Lomax's head was clearly down, West was nearly on the ground and Lomax left his feet, launching at West. Not sure why this is even a discussion.

What should be discussed..... how is West doing? He went limp after that hit. Anyone have an update? I would assume mild concussion at the very minimum.

 

[chuckd4735]

It p*ssed me off when the hoks booed the call, He clearly targeted West. Stay classy hok nation.

ISU booed Cotton-Moya's ejection, and that was just as clearly targeting.

 

[chuckd4735]

that was a 50/50 call

Dont be a homer. The two plays were nearly identical.

 

[F5cy]

ISU booed Cotton-Moya's ejection, and that was just as clearly targeting.

That was two weeks ago and has no bearing on the call made yesterday.

 

[3TrueFans]

That was two weeks ago and has no bearing on the call made yesterday.

No but it's dumb to say Hawk fans are classless because they booed the call when 90% of the people at JTS did the same thing 2 weeks ago on nearly the same type of play.

 

[aauummm]

Lomax's head was clearly down, West was nearly on the ground and Lomax left his feet, launching at West. Not sure why this is even a discussion.

What should be discussed..... how is West doing? He went limp after that hit. Anyone have an update? I would assume mild concussion at the very minimum.

I agree.

 

[HFCS]

If Cotton Moya should have been ejected from our NDSU game, then the Iowa player definitely should have been too.

According to the rules of football the most baffling call by a mile was calling obvious PI on Iowa, reversing the call, giving a reason for reversing it, and having that reason be completely preposterous. You want to talk about officiating incompetence you should start there and not accurately calling a targeting rule that's just part of NCAA football in 2014.

 

[Skidoosh]

This is a long post, but everyone should read it. Bob Costas spoke in DM this year and made the point that almost every play in the NFL ends in a "big hit," not a tackle. I know it is a "violent" sport, but the way things are right now is not sustainable long term for the game of football.

It is also not sustainable for the players. Our very own Matt Blair did an article recently on how he is starting to have serious memory problems and migraines, and he just entered his 60s.

 

[Win5002]

It was a terrible call on Lomax just like it was a terrible call on Cotton Moya. Someone said he was leading with the head, he was not. Look at the picture a couple posts above me, he led with the shoulder.

Lets remember Jarvis is all of what 5'7"? Just like CPR complained fand I think was illustrating when Cotton was ejected, what is a defender do get on their knees to hit them? Neither of those players led with their helmets but rather their shoulder. I get the leading with the helmet or targeting the other players helmet but these were not the case.

If the WR starts to go low you can't penalize the defense when they hit with their shoulder and due to the WR ducking or going down their becomes contact to the head.

 

[3TrueFans]

It was a terrible call on Lomax just like it was a terrible call on Cotton Moya. Someone said he was leading with the head, he was not. Look at the picture a couple posts above me, he led with the shoulder.

Lets remember Jarvis is all of what 5'7"? Just like CPR complained fand I think was illustrating when Cotton was ejected, what is a defender do get on their knees to hit them? Neither of those players led with their helmets but rather their shoulder. I get the leading with the helmet or targeting the other players helmet but these were not the case.

If the WR starts to go low you can't penalize the defense when they hit with their shoulder and due to the WR ducking or going down their becomes contact to the head.

The rule might be terrible or need work, but the call was correct.

 

[bigdaddykane]

No but it's dumb to say Hawk fans are classless because they booed the call when 90% of the people at JTS did the same thing 2 weeks ago on nearly the same type of play.

eh I dont remember it like that

 

[Beyerball]

It was a terrible call on Lomax just like it was a terrible call on Cotton Moya. Someone said he was leading with the head, he was not. Look at the picture a couple posts above me, he led with the shoulder.

Lets remember Jarvis is all of what 5'7"? Just like CPR complained fand I think was illustrating when Cotton was ejected, what is a defender do get on their knees to hit them? Neither of those players led with their helmets but rather their shoulder. I get the leading with the helmet or targeting the other players helmet but these were not the case.

If the WR starts to go low you can't penalize the defense when they hit with their shoulder and due to the WR ducking or going down their becomes contact to the head.

It it wasn't terrible and the reason is now west has what could be a serious concussion, those are the things that end your career...see David ash at tx. They are trying to do whatever they can to prevent this stuff. The penalty was the correct call by the rules, his shoulder slammed into his helmet. That's targeting.

 

[jbindm]

It's kind of ironic that he was ejected for targeting when I don't think he had any idea what he was going to hit. If he keeps his head up so he could see what he was hitting then maybe he avoids the head contact and stays in the game. Learn to play within the rules, kid. End of story.

 

[KnappShack]

Butkus tackled with his face looking at the opponent. He didn't launch himself at a ball carrier while using the crown of his helmet.

The game has lost the art of tackling and has turned players into missile launchers. Get back to form tackling