The Jerry Kill Comparison
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Yea well they didn't lose to FBS teams at home two years in a row and go winless in the Big 12. Kill is leagues above CPR and you're an idiot to think otherwise.
Minnesota is obviously better than ISU right now. But Kill doesn't have Minnesota any better than ISU has been plenty of times the past 15-20 years. Doing ok sure, but nothing amazing. They beat Nebraska, a bunch of horrible teams, lost to one of the worst teams in the nation and got blown out the one time they played a real conference team. They would likely have a handful of blowout losses if they played in a real conference.
Wins: #114, #108, #116, #55, #59 (by one score), #81 (by 1 point), #41, #19
Losses: #7 (not remotely competitive), #96, #10
So it's incredibly possible that if Kill had this type of season at ISU, a kind of season that CPR and Danny Mac have had quite a few times before...that he could not maintain Minnesota's current level of average the same way CPR and Danny Mac couldn't.
The ohio state game wasnt a blow out. And I bet you anything we lose to TCU by twice the margin Minny did.
#7 is referencing TCU. Minnesota could barely manage a single first down against TCU's first stringers. Their biggest accomplishment the entire season is beating Nebraska and losing to Ohio State in a game that was not nearly as close as the score. OSU turned the ball over all game and Minn tacked on a meaningless score a the end.
6 of their wins are against horrible teams and they have a loss to a horrible team. They are extremely average, just like Mac's and CPR's bowl teams have been. Now if Kill can somehow keep this level without dropping off I'll give him and Minnesota credit for doing what Mac and CPR couldn't, but this season isn't very impressive given that it's a JV caliber schedule.
Did you think CPR or Mac were great head coaches after their winning seasons? He's certainly not a bad coach, but some of you are in lala land for crowning a guy based on a season with ONE win against a top 40 team and a loss to a horrible Illinois team.
I did crown CPR a good coach. I was ready for a change after MAC, Thought MAC met his potential with what he accomplished. I crowned CPR a good coach, however, the truth (to me) is that it was a smokescreen. Werent his athletes winning. Time has revealed CPR to be incapable of recruiting/sustaining what he had.
If Kill falls back to the level CPR is at, I will be right there calling him out. As it stands, MINN has serious momentum right now. Identity = power run/beefy tight ends/ball-hawking D. Granted next year is a good litmus test for Kill. His D this year is senior-laden and talented. Polar opposite of ours this year
That really is the hardest thing to try to do. Yet people on here do. Don't waste your time. Kill could go 10-2 next year and people would say no no, Big 10 sucks, only a few wins against ranked teams. Not impressed.
I'm not defending this season. I'm saying ISU has had seasons like Minnesota's plenty of times, we just can't maintain it. If Kill has these seasons for 4-5 years in a row without a drop off I'll know he's more successful at Minn than Mac or CPR were here.
I just don't get excited about beating horrible teams, beating Nebraska, losing to horrendous Illinois, and struggling to get a first down vs a Big 12 team. Doesn't mean I think ISU is better than Minnesota. I just don't see why people are so excited, might as well be excited that Marshall is unbeaten, Marshall's schedule isn't drastically easier.
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If he went 10-2 and a loss was to #96 Illionois and only one of the 10 wins was to a decent team, yes, I'd say "why compare that to us, we play in a completely different universe than that schedule".
They're doing well, they'd likely be around 6-6 in the Big 12. Better than ISU but not ranked...like they are ranked around 40s by computers. No better than ISU has been in good years. If Kill can maintain then I'll be impressed and readily admit he has done a better job than our coaches who couldn't maintain being competitive.
Kill's staff because at least there is a chance to maintain success, where I feel we've lost it here. (although CPR and Mac's best years were as good or better than Kill's season this year in terms of actually beating good teams)
But if Kill is 6-6 or worse in the next year or two against a cakewalk Big Ten, then he's right into CPR/Mac territory. This is basic stuff.
Why compare JV and Varsity schedules? Who has beat more ranked teams? Even if you count Nebraska today CPR has beaten more ranked teams than Kill at Minn.
The Big 10 is worse that the Big 12, but it amazes me how many of you on here are so black and white about it.
