I Say Keep PR!

Stormin

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Orr won a lot of games in the 2nd half of his 2nd down year. Do you understand what that shows? Imporvement. Something we have not seen at all out of Rhoads since 2011.

We were pretty bad. And were atrocious on the road with a 3-9 record. We did not win a lot of games in the 2nd half of his second down year. We did finish 4-4 in the last 8 games of that season, and did upset a decent Oklahoma State team at home in the final conference game of the year by one point. And that was in Victor Alexander's senior season who was a 1st Round NBA draft pick that spring.
 

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The group of people calling for Paul Rhoads head on a platter now would have tarred and feathered Johnny Orr and ran him out of town when our basketball team won 10 games one year and 12 games the next in his 9th and 10th season at Iowa State.

Johnny Orr's 9th and 10th seasons at ISU.

1989–90Iowa State10–184–106th
1990–91Iowa State12–196–85th
You realize this ain't the 90's anymore? College athletics is an industry now.
 

CyJack13

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The group of people calling for Paul Rhoads head on a platter now would have tarred and feathered Johnny Orr and ran him out of town when our basketball team won 10 games one year and 12 games the next in his 9th and 10th season at Iowa State.

Johnny Orr's 9th and 10th seasons at ISU.

1989–90Iowa State10–184–106th
1990–91Iowa State12–196–85th

So during Orr's two down years you reference we won 36% of our conference games, for Rhoads to get his conference winning percentage since the beginning of the 2013 up to that poor 36% mark, we need to win our next six conference games. So CPR's two year stretch has been much worse than that stretch for Orr, even with ignoring all the previous success Orr had had at that point.
 

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Then maybe it's time to take it back and make it what it was, Coach.

College. Athletics.
Lol right, we have soon reached the point of paying players. Downfall is we won't have a big payroll in the AAC.
 

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So during Orr's two down years you reference we won 36% of our conference games, for Rhoads to get his conference winning percentage since the beginning of the 2013 up to that poor 36% mark, we need to win our next six conference games. So CPR's two year stretch has been much worse than that stretch for Orr, even with ignoring all the previous success Orr had had at that point.

I didn't think it was possible to make his irrelevant "point" even more irrelevant, but that note about the conference record is really telling.

Also, we'd kill for 5th and 6th place finishes in a down year, and I fully understand that there were only 8 teams in the conference at the time.
 

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The group of people calling for Paul Rhoads head on a platter now would have tarred and feathered Johnny Orr and ran him out of town when our basketball team won 10 games one year and 12 games the next in his 9th and 10th season at Iowa State.

Johnny Orr's 9th and 10th seasons at ISU.

1989–90Iowa State10–184–106th
1990–91Iowa State12–196–85th

Are you serious? Johnny had already established himself as a proven commodity. You're pulling out 2 years during a down cycle that was in between up cycles. The second year was an improvement. There are no similarities. The football program is being led by someone not qualified to do so, is in a downward spiral, and hasn't been elevated to the next level at any time during his tenure.
 

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Are you serious? Johnny had already established himself as a proven commodity. You're pulling out 2 years during a down cycle that was in between up cycles. The second year was an improvement. There are no similarities. The football program is being led by someone not qualified to do so, is in a downward spiral, and hasn't been elevated to the next level at any time during his tenure.
Paul feels like McD 2.
 

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I like Paul as a person. But, let's face it. College sports is big business. He did his best with with recruits from the prior coaches. I still think recruiting is the main issue. Followed up with bad decisions on coaches. Even with some success like beating Oklahoma State, he didn't respond with better recruits. Now becoming the worst team in the B12, recruiting is going to be crap. Already three recruits have changed their minds. They talk about yesterday a big day with all the recruits being at the game. Talk about giving them a reason to escape Ames as fast as possible. I don't think we could compete in the Missouri Valley conference. The NDSU and the UNI beat our *** now. The team never comes to the game ready to play. Always, gives the other team 2 or 3 scores before we start playing..... Then the last thing is blaming results on injuries. Every team has injuries. It is called depth and having other people ready. Texas Tech quarterback is a true freshman and was the better quarterback on the field. I wouldn't go into the defense much, other than saying they are probably out this morning picking up their jockstraps after trying to make some tackles. Looked more like bull fighters waving the bull by with the cape.... Is it too late to turn the SEZ into a new basketball facility or parking lot?????
 

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The group of people calling for Paul Rhoads head on a platter now would have tarred and feathered Johnny Orr and ran him out of town when our basketball team won 10 games one year and 12 games the next in his 9th and 10th season at Iowa State.

Johnny Orr's 9th and 10th seasons at ISU.

1989–90Iowa State10–184–106th
1990–91Iowa State12–196–85th

Before the start of the 1989-90 season Orr lost 2 key starters: Sam Mack and Mark Baugh.

Alexander, Mack, and Baugh would have made a pretty good frontcourt
 
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The group of people calling for Paul Rhoads head on a platter now would have tarred and feathered Johnny Orr and ran him out of town when our basketball team won 10 games one year and 12 games the next in his 9th and 10th season at Iowa State.

Johnny Orr's 9th and 10th seasons at ISU.

1989–90Iowa State10–184–106th
1990–91Iowa State12–196–85th

Exactly. Coaches can't hope to keep a job based on their past achievements forever. And those past achievements are not forgotten even when it's time to move on to a new coach.
 

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Keep wally too. If we aren't good next year, get rid of the whole staff.

No sense in trying to a some new guy and implement a system for 1 year. His new system isn't going to turn us into some defensive power.