Freds Quote " Not playing for each other"

Clonefan32

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It's not a good loss. Maryland is projected to finish in the middle of the Big 10 and they are much younger than us. Can we learn something from this loss absolutely, but we basically have two more chances in our non-conference to notch a quality win.

I think we are putting too much stock in out-of-conference wins. Have you looked at the Big 12? Between KU, Texas, KSU, OU, WVU and OSU we will have PLENTY of opportunities to grab quality wins.
 

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It's not the end of the world. As for saying it's not a "good loss" (I don't think there's such a thing but I know what you mean) because Maryland is projected to finish in the middle of the Big Ten and are young is silly. Pretty sure that is exactly what we have been the past few years, projected middle or bottom of the Big 12 and young/a lot of question marks with our transfers. I'm not saying Maryland will be a Final Four team but I don't think they're a bad team. Shooting 29% will not get it done. I feel that's an anomaly though, everyone has bad shooting nights and that was certainly one for us.

I can't wait for McKay to be eligible! Their bigs had a hay day! Hougue was frustrated, he battled, got position but was outsized by 6 inches down there. I trust Fred and this team's desire/drive, we'll be fine. They aren't going to be okay with this, I wouldn't want to be Lamar on Tuesday. Like has been mentioned, R E L A X
 

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I know Fred is not calling out BDJ, but the guy is avoiding the pass to take the shot, and it's very un-Hoiberg coached teams like. He has gone something like 8/18 the past two nights with zero assists. I can think of at couple of plays the past two nights where he could of passed the ball for an easy two and instead shot and missed.
Not really fair. Bryce shot 6-12 last night, he was getting OK shots. He dumped the ball off to Edozie of all people on a late fast break when he could easily have taken it to the hole himself. I just don't see selfishness as his problem at this point.

If you want to point fingers, you can call out Naz who shot 3-10 (2 of those 3 in the last 3 minutes) in 30 minutes, zero assists and he piled up another zero assists in 30 minutes against Alabama. And Hogue -- 1-8, 0 rebounds (zero!!), 0 assists in 24 minutes last night. Those guys were black holes compared to Bryce. The point being, it was a team loss. Onward and upward.
 
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It's not a good loss. Maryland is projected to finish in the middle of the Big 10 and they are much younger than us. Can we learn something from this loss absolutely, but we basically have two more chances in our non-conference to notch a quality win.

We are projected to finish middle of the Big 12 too.. Just sayin. Wouldn't be too quick to categorize this one based on projections.
 

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It's not the end of the world. As for saying it's not a "good loss" (I don't think there's such a thing but I know what you mean) because Maryland is projected to finish in the middle of the Big Ten and are young is silly. Pretty sure that is exactly what we have been the past few years, projected middle or bottom of the Big 12 and young/a lot of question marks with our transfers. I'm not saying Maryland will be a Final Four team but I don't think they're a bad team. Shooting 29% will not get it done. I feel that's an anomaly though, everyone has bad shooting nights and that was certainly one for us.

I can't wait for McKay to be eligible! Their bigs had a hay day! Hougue was frustrated, he battled, got position but was outsized by 6 inches down there. I trust Fred and this team's desire/drive, we'll be fine. They aren't going to be okay with this, I wouldn't want to be Lamar on Tuesday. Like has been mentioned, R E L A X

We were actually projected smack dab in the middle of the big 12, people forget that.
 

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i dont want to hear about the shooting percentage. the percentage was low because they took horrible shots, and they took horrible shots because they were selfish. it wasnt some statistical fluke.
 

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Not really fair. Bryce shot 6-12 last night, he was getting OK shots. He dumped the ball off to Edozie of all people on a late fast break when he could easily have taken it to the hole himself. I just don't see selfishness as his problem at this point.

If you want to point fingers, you can call out Naz who shot 3-10 (2 of those 3 in the last 3 minutes) in 30 minutes, zero assists and he piled up another zero assists in 30 minutes against Alabama. And Hogue -- 1-8, 0 rebounds (zero!!), 0 assists in 24 minutes last night. Those guys were black holes compared to Bryce. The point being, it was a team loss. Onward and upward.

Yeah, Naz had one of the worst games I can remember from him. Forced shots, sloppy with the ball. Just not a good night for him. But like I said, that's an anomaly. We'll be fine. And I agree, BDJ is not this Kobe type selfish people make him out to be. He seems like a guy that wants to be a part of the whole. Just finding his place and being aggressive. There has to be a learning curve. Not every year will a team with transfers gel/pull out all the close ones in non-con.
 

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We are picked by most outlets to finish 3rd in the Big 12. Maryland is picked to finish 8th or 9th in the Big 10.
 

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I'd bet money with anyone that Maryland finishes in the top 4 of the Big 10. They had tremendous length and the "White Boys" as John Calipari would say could ball. Hogue looked over matched down low and I haven't been overly impressed with his or anyones ability to rebound yet.

It's not about where we start but where we finish, relax boys we have a long way to go.
 

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i dont want to hear about the shooting percentage. the percentage was low because they took horrible shots, and they took horrible shots because they were selfish. it wasnt some statistical fluke.

I did mention shooting percentage but I do agree with you. A lot of bad shots/pressing to catch up. I think that speaks to Maryland executing their game plan to a T. They controlled tempo and made things very difficult on Georges and Dustin down low. The result was guys forcing shots. Selfishness vs. trying to make something happen. It's a fine line.
 

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I'd bet money with anyone that Maryland finishes in the top 4 of the Big 10. They had tremendous length and the "White Boys" as John Calipari would say could ball. Hogue looked over matched down low and I haven't been overly impressed with his or anyones ability to rebound yet.

It's not about where we start but where we finish, relax boys we have a long way to go.

i will put any amount of money on Maryland finishing worse than 4th in the Big 10.
 

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I'd bet money with anyone that Maryland finishes in the top 4 of the Big 10. They had tremendous length and the "White Boys" as John Calipari would say could ball. Hogue looked over matched down low and I haven't been overly impressed with his or anyones ability to rebound yet.
That was actually Pitino, but all those white guys do look alike.

I agree with you about Hogue, he needs to get back to his game -- dirty work.
 

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I did mention shooting percentage but I do agree with you. A lot of bad shots/pressing to catch up. I think that speaks to Maryland executing their game plan to a T. They controlled tempo and made things very difficult on Georges and Dustin down low. The result was guys forcing shots. Selfishness vs. trying to make something happen. It's a fine line.

sorry, didnt mean to come across as condescending. i just meant that it wasnt some random sub-par shooting performance that drove the loss.(because that will also likely happen at some point)
 

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I agree. That #10 can play inside and out, #44 can break people down off the dribble and the PG is the best we have seen this year. hope Maryland rolls the big10. This will not be a bad loss come March. Plus we are going to be a different team a month from now. No one likes to lose but I think there is a lot the team can learn from both games in KC. Bama wasn't a clean win at all.
 

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Look, everyone needs to stop piling up on BDJ. Him and Edozie were the only ones that came to play last night. With the horrible shooting from everyone, BDJ decided to put his head down and drive to the basket to try to get layups or fouls. I have absolutely no problem with that. On any other game, he would have had at least 5 assists, but no one was making jack.

Also, for the people thinking that McKay will solve everything, I say we also need Edozie. McKay seems like he will be a great shot blocker, but is also very lanky. Guys like Ridley, Gipson, and Gathers will just push him around. We'll need Edozie to body up some of those big guys. I'm really impressed with Edozie's development and think that him and McKay on the court will give us the best defensive lineup that we'll need at times.
 

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sorry, didnt mean to come across as condescending. i just meant that it wasnt some random sub-par shooting performance that drove the loss.(because that will also likely happen at some point)
Oh please, we must have watched different games. You will have off nights from long range but ISU missed a TON of point blank shots and those misses drove the frustration more than anything. You could see the disgust when they buckled down and worked for a good shot but just couldn't finish. Who knows what we have with this team, but I have to believe that kind of shooting is going to be a rarity.
 

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I don't know if it was as much "not playing for each other" as it was panicking. Last year's team was great because they never panicked. They played their game and the vast majority of games worked out in the end. Tonight, I saw people do a lot of uncharacteristic things. Hoisting threes out of rhythm, taking it in to 2-3 defenders and not kicking it out. Hogue tried to do way too much under the hope, and Georges made some head scratching plays. I think they just got behind the 8 ball a little bit and tried to get it all back in a play or two.

I am concerned defensively. People seem to think McKay will be the end-all-be-all to solve or defensive woes. I can handle getting outmuscled down low, as it's a natural trade off for having smaller, more skilled offensive bigs. However, I can't figure out how a team predicated on being smaller and quicker can be so bad on the ball. In watching last night, I didn't see a ton of situations where McKay was going to make a huge difference. Most of the time they were getting open threes, or finishing mid-range floaters. We have to get better guarding the ball.

I couldn't agree more.
 

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Part of the reason our shooting % was so poor was the bad shot selection. We took a bunch of long-range 2's which is very unlike a Hoiberg team. Also, it took a ridiculously good shooting night (58%) to beat a mediocre Alabama team the night before.