Pollard backs Rhoads

[3TrueFans]

LOL. And if he left for somewhere else at that point, everyone would have been up in arms.

There's a happy medium in there somewhere between letting him leave and giving him a 10-year contract. 10 ******* years!?

 

[Section110]

How's this? We are last in the B12 in recruiting at this point by a long shot. In fact, we are behind EVERY other Power 5 team. Doesn't look like a roster being built, but rather one continuing to fall further behind the teams we play every year.

https://rivals.yahoo.com/iowastate/football/recruiting/teamrank/2015/BIG12/all

I think only the most brainwashed Cyclone fans can see a way that Rhoads pulls the program up out of the abyss. It truly takes a level of thinking that is beyond my capability. If you take a rational approach to life and make your decisions based upon common sense then it would be incredibly difficult for you to wrap your head around anyone who is attempting to divulge a positive outlook on the next few years of Cyclone football under Paul Rhoads leadership.

This is what it will look like....

If this happens... and this happens... and this happens.... then you never know! Oh and the SEZ!

 

[Transient]

How do you fire your next door neighbor?

 

[Stewo]

For me, the biggest take away in all of this is that JP has essentially consented to ISU being a poor football program. Your head football coach has had 5 straight losing seasons, while winning 5 games total in years 5 and 6 and you stand behind him, proudly. No one will ever confuse ISU as ever being a football power, but this takes things to an even lower level of ISU football suckatude.

As far as people not renewing their tickets for next season (myself included for 3 tickets), that's our prerogative. The fans of sports teams are essentially shareholders in a given program. However, because the 99% of us don't have deep pockets, we can't just call-up the AD and voice our displeasure with the assurance anything will change. What we can do, however, is not throw our money at a product that displeases us. It's the real world with real money and time as investments.

I'm not sorry that I can find better things to do with my family on a Saturday in the fall than to support a program that I don't believe is being run to my (really pretty low) standards. No one is going to make me feel bad about that decision, either. The same goes for those that are purchasing tickets regardless. Your time. Your money. Not my business.

 

[Mesaclone1]

I think only the most brainwashed Hawkeye fans can see a way that Ferentz pulls the program up out of the abyss. It truly takes a level of thinking that is beyond my capability. If you take a rational approach to life and make your decisions based upon common sense then it would be incredibly difficult for you to wrap your head around anyone who is attempting to divulge a positive outlook on the next few years of Hawkeye football under Kirk Ferentz leadership.

This is what it will look like....

If this happens... and this happens... and this happens.... then you never know! Oh and Strength of Schedule doesn't matter!

 

[Clonefan32]

For me, the biggest take away in all of this is that JP has essentially consented to ISU being a poor football program. Your head football coach has had 5 straight losing seasons, while winning 5 games total in years 5 and 6 and you stand behind him, proudly. No one will ever confuse ISU as ever being a football power, but this takes things to an even lower level of ISU football suckatude.

As far as people not renewing their tickets for next season (myself included for 3 tickets), that's our prerogative. The fans of sports teams are essentially shareholders in a given program. However, because the 99% of us don't have deep pockets, we can't just call-up the AD and voice our displeasure with the assurance anything will change. What we can do, however, is not throw our money at a product that displeases us. It's the real world with real money and time as investments.

I'm not sorry that I can find better things to do with my family on a Saturday in the fall than to support a program that I don't believe is being run to my (really pretty low) standards. No one is going to make me feel bad about that decision, either. The same goes for those that are purchasing tickets regardless. Your time. Your money. Not my business.

I said it yesterday and I will say it again. Tulsa fired their head coach who in 4 years was right around .500 and had a two win season this year. Our coach has more like a .333 record in 6 years and went 2-10. What's not good enough for Tulsa is good enough for us?

 

[Stewo]

I said it yesterday and I will say it again. Tulsa fired their head coach who in 4 years was right around .500 and had a two win season this year. Our coach has more like a .333 record in 6 years and went 2-10. What's not good enough for Tulsa is good enough for us?

Made that same comment a couple days ago. Really puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

 

[Cycsk]

Showing we can be competitive for approximately 1/2 of a game against subpar conference opponents isn't exactly a compelling reason to support CPR.

I also get the injuries argument, but football is a violent game. You have to plan for injuries and have the required depth to overcome them. That's where recruiting comes in, and that's where we've often fallen short.

It may not be compelling, but in all of our despair, we should at least acknowledge that we had leads well into several games this year. We didn't get those leads by being terrible or having a head coach who wasn't capable.

 

[Daserop]

JP publicly backing CPR is essentially JP backing is own decision to give CPR a huge contract extension. /thread

When CPR contract was about up, CPR was having some success, and momentum was going in the right direction. JP decided to give CPR a big contract extension. This is smart because of a couple of reasons. First, you lock in the price of CPR’s salary for a long period of time, and with the rate of that college football HC salaries were increasing, this was smart. Secondly, if CPR starting having a lot of success at ISU, this contract extension would keep him from leaving as the buyout would be large.
The only issue with this huge contract extension is if things go south, which they have. If things end up not working JP doesn’t have enough money to fire CPR and hire another coach. The SEZ construction doesn’t help in the financial department either.

 

[Wesley]

can you just not post anymore?

Looking at my count, that will not happen....

 

[jbhtexas]

All of you who think our program is in such bad shape, what would you be saying if we had beaten Texas the last two years? Will you admit that despite how terrible our program is, we had leads against Texas Tech and West Virginia? I know we lost the games, but we were good enough to play with these teams, even after having been depleted by injuries. Will you admit that we would have had a good chance at being bowl eligible if we hadn't been hit with so many injuries (suspend blaming the coaches for the injuries for a moment)? I don't think we should underestimate the significance of losing Bundrage and Farniok on the outcome of the NDSU game (after starting with a 14-0 lead that made even LakesBison sit there quietly). Yes, these are "what if's," but they are real "what if's." I don't think we can ignore that fact that we have shown that we can be competitive, even in this season that feels so dismal.

Do you think those deciding who is "in" and who is "out" when the next round of Power 5 realignment comes along will give any consideration to your "what-ifs"? In this period of realignment "calm", ISU should be making a push to be a middle-of-the-pack Big 12 team. Instead, barring a miracle this Saturday, ISU will unquestionably be the worst team in the Big 12.

Lastly, I think the best path for the future is to build on the present, not to discard what we currently have. A disruption in the head coach position would be the worst thing we could do. Even if we went after a new head coach, things would get much worse, not better. Can you imagine what our team will be like if we throw away a few years of recruiting?

ISU is already consistently at the bottom of the Big 12 in recruiting ranking (which shows on the field), presently winning 2-3 games a year, and losing to FCS teams. Can it really get much worse??? If so, how?

Just think about it...two injuries and ISU completely fell apart against an FCS team. That should tell you all you need to know about how good of a coach Rhoads is and the state of ISU's program.

 

[Wesley]

In 2011, the contract was set to expire at the end of 2013, and there was just no reason to extend through 2021. None. Extend three years through 2016. If in 2011, 5 years wasn't enough to keep Rhoads around, then so be it. That would have been more than generous for the actual performance on the field.

After the 2012 season, extend another year through 2017 for making a bowl (if the team had won that bowl, instead of completely folded, you could even consider extending another year through 2018).

After the 2013 season, you might consider extending through 2018 (which is five seasons) to help snag Mangino and recruits, or you just let it slide at four seasons (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017) and see what Rhoads can do.

Now we come to the end of 2014 with a much more financially manageable situation if it is determined that a coaching change is needed.

Doubt if JP will ever hand out such a long extension again.

 

[Cyclophile1]

In 2011, the contract was set to expire at the end of 2013, and there was just no reason to extend through 2021. None. Extend three years through 2016. If in 2011, 5 years wasn't enough to keep Rhoads around, then so be it. That would have been more than generous for the actual performance on the field.

After the 2012 season, extend another year through 2017 for making a bowl (if the team had won that bowl, instead of completely folded, you could even consider extending another year through 2018).

After the 2013 season, you might consider extending through 2018 (which is five seasons) to help snag Mangino and recruits, or you just let it slide at four seasons (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017) and see what Rhoads can do.

Now we come to the end of 2014 with a much more financially manageable situation if it is determined that a coaching change is needed.

I've had similar thoughts on how much of an over-reach that contract extension was, and how irrationally optimistic it seemed at the time. And this was in the face of really believing that Rhoads was a good coach who knew what he was doing. Even with that sentiment surrounding the program, it was way too long. At ISU, you're never more than a poor season or two away from tumble to the bottom. Well all know how hard a climb up it is once you're down there. Your schedule is much more pragmatic and thoughtful, and I think it points out how much Pollard likes Rhoads and wanted to reward him, rationality and risks be damned.

 

[bigdaddykane]

It may not be compelling, but in all of our despair, we should at least acknowledge that we had leads well into several games this year. We didn't get those leads by being terrible or having a head coach who wasn't capable.

Then how did we lose those leads? We didn't lose those leads by having a good coach.

 

[CTTB78]

Doubt if JP will ever hand out such a long extension again.

Even the 'best AD n the country' sometimes has to learn the hard way.

 

[Wesley]

I haven't read this whole thread, but I have to ask, are we really upset at Pollard for saying this during the COACHES CALL IN SHOW??



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What did people expect him to say? Did people really think there was any chance Rhoads was being fired after the season?

Maybe fired next year if he wins a couple. Maybe 3-5 per cent chance firing at end of this year. He looks to be in way over his head as far as B12 recruiting goes though.

Someone needs to figure out how to get better talent to Ames.

 

[cycloneworld]

It'd take about 3 calls and they'd have the money.

Doesn't mean its a worthwhile investment. My company could make 3 calls and have $5 mil too. Doesn't mean we should spend it just because its available.

 

[cycloneworld]

I've had similar thoughts on how much of an over-reach that contract extension was, and how irrationally optimistic it seemed at the time. And this was in the face of really believing that Rhoads was a good coach who knew what he was doing. Even with that sentiment surrounding the program, it was way too long. At ISU, you're never more than a poor season or two away from tumble to the bottom. Well all know how hard a climb up it is once you're down there. Your schedule is much more pragmatic and thoughtful, and I think it points out how much Pollard likes Rhoads and wanted to reward him, rationality and risks be damned.

That giant raise that Pollard gave Rhoads took him from last in compensation in the Big 12 to...last in the Big 12 in compensation. Let's not pretend JP parked the bank truck at Rhoads' door.

Even with his long contract, we owe Rhoads $5 mil as a buyout. KU owes Weis $5.6 mil. Pelini gets $7.7 mil. Just look to the east, Ferentz is owed $15 mil if he is fired!! I'd venture to guess Rhoads' buyout is towards the bottom of most Power 5 coaches.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

thought this was rather appropriate. What is our "Main thing"?

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...005/college-football-coach-hot-seat-avoidance

 

[cyfanatic]

That giant raise that Pollard gave Rhoads took him from last in compensation in the Big 12 to...last in the Big 12 in compensation. Let's not pretend JP parked the bank truck at Rhoads' door.

Even with his long contract, we owe Rhoads $5 mil as a buyout. KU owes Weis $5.6 mil. Pelini gets $7.7 mil. Just look to the east, Ferentz is owed $15 mil if he is fired!! I'd venture to guess Rhoads' buyout is towards the bottom of most Power 5 coaches.

This sounds like even more reason to fire him...you make it sound as if ISU can afford to fire him. And if they can afford it, what is the reason not to?