Pollard backs Rhoads

ISUKyro

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Hey guys at least we participated in big12 games this year... Didn't win any but hey we were there. That should count for something.
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New stickers for our helmets?!
 

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I have a feeling what JP said on the show is a little different than what he told (or will tell) CPR in private. I hope so, at least :unsure:
 

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My prediction:

Wally "retires" and we get a new DC.


At least things really can't get worse.
 

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It took about 10 pages or so, but there are some excellent posts in this thread.

First and foremost, it was just plain stupid for JP to offer the 10 year extension. You would think he would research the other state university to the east to see how that turned out. Unless CPR won the Big 12 conference title championship in year 2, that idiotic extension should have never been added. College football landscape changes quickly, and far to many AD's have been burned by contracts, only to have to buy them out later for millions of dollars. If I was an AD, I would never consider more than a 5 year contract. The coach threatened to leave because he did not get the long term deal he wanted? There's the door. Never let the employee (coach) strong arm the employer (ISU). Rule number #1 of business. No employee is worth more than the actual business.

As previously stated, Pollard made his bed when he offered the football contract. Unfortunately for him, that decision may cost him his job as well. In major college athletics, football is king, all the other sports are just pawns on the board. One look at conference realignment supports that argument.

I respect your opinion but disagree. Does it really matter if Rhoads has a 10 year contract making $2 mil per year or a 5 year, $3.5 mil contract if the buyouts are roughly the same? As I posted earlier, Rhoads' buyout is less than that of many other coaches (Weis, Pelini, Muschamp, Ferentz, etc) even though his contract is twice as long.

On the surface, Pollards 10 year/$20 mil contract seems bad. But when you dig into it, its really not.
 

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My prediction:

Wally "retires" and we get a new DC.


At least things really can't get worse.

There really is no way Wally is back next year. I also think Shane needs to go, so it will be interesting to see how CPR handles that. Dad retires, son is fired?
 

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If Pollard asked Leath for $5.25 mil - TODAY - to buy out Rhoads, Leath would get it for him.
Yes, he would. Pollard just doesn't want to fire him. End of story.

It'd take about 3 calls and they'd have the money.

If it would take 3 phone calls to raise $5.25 mil, then we have a lot of donors holding back.

You know, it only took 30 years to get a lead donation to cover a PORTION of the south endzone, but three phone calls will get us $5.25 mil.
 

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There really is no way Wally is back next year. I also think Shane needs to go, so it will be interesting to see how CPR handles that. Dad retires, son is fired?

Maybe Shane will see the writing on the wall or get some strong hints from Rhoads that he should be looking around. Isn't that supposedly what happened when Tom Herman left?
 

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I wonder why JP didn't come out and say this right after the KU loss. We potentially lost some recruits because of it. I wonder if he was on the horn the last couple of weeks to see if we could actually get a decent coach in here and/or also calling the bigwigs to see if anyone wanted to help with a buyout. If we are keeping CPR then let's get behind him and the team. Buckle down and improve next year!!!! We have to win our close games next year. We could have beat KSU, Texas, WVU, and TT this year if we just executed for an entire game and/or had some things go our way.

If we can start off well next year, since we have our easiest games coming first - then there could be some hype around the team and even some confidence in our players. It would be nice to see our team play without the attitude of "it doesn't matter if we try because we will get screwed anyway".
 

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For me, the biggest take away in all of this is that JP has essentially consented to ISU being a poor football program. Your head football coach has had 5 straight losing seasons, while winning 5 games total in years 5 and 6 and you stand behind him, proudly. No one will ever confuse ISU as ever being a football power, but this takes things to an even lower level of ISU football suckatude.

As far as people not renewing their tickets for next season (myself included for 3 tickets), that's our prerogative. The fans of sports teams are essentially shareholders in a given program. However, because the 99% of us don't have deep pockets, we can't just call-up the AD and voice our displeasure with the assurance anything will change. What we can do, however, is not throw our money at a product that displeases us. It's the real world with real money and time as investments.

I'm not sorry that I can find better things to do with my family on a Saturday in the fall than to support a program that I don't believe is being run to my (really pretty low) standards. No one is going to make me feel bad about that decision, either. The same goes for those that are purchasing tickets regardless. Your time. Your money. Not my business.

Exactly!!
 

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Taking the idea of Tulsa firing their coach after he went .500 in 4 seasons and 2-10 this year...

Turner Gill went 5-9 (1-16) in his two years at KU and got fired.
Charlie Weis went 6-22 (1-18) in his two+ years at KU and got fired.
Ron Prince went 17-20 (9-15) in his 3 years at KSU and got fired.
Bill Stewart went 28-12 (15-6) in 3 years at WVU and got fired.
Dan Hawkins went 16-33 for Colorado and was fired after 5 years.
John Embree went 4-21 in 2 years for Colorado and was fired.

CPR is 29-45 (14-3&) in 6 years.

These are just a few examples of schools I would consider our contemporaries in which they haven't put up with excessive losing for coaches. I can't say all those schools have turned things around after firings, but it still bothers me that losing isn't acceptable for those schools, but apparently is here.
 

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Taking the idea of Tulsa firing their coach after he went .500 in 4 seasons and 2-10 this year...

Turner Gill went 5-9 (1-16) in his two years at KU and got fired.
Charlie Weis went 6-22 (1-18) in his two+ years at KU and got fired.
Ron Prince went 17-20 (9-15) in his 3 years at KSU and got fired.
Bill Stewart went 28-12 (15-6) in 3 years at WVU and got fired.
Dan Hawkins went 16-33 for Colorado and was fired after 5 years.
John Embree went 4-21 in 2 years for Colorado and was fired.

CPR is 29-45 (14-3&) in 6 years.

These are just a few examples of schools I would consider our contemporaries in which they haven't put up with excessive losing for coaches. I can't say all those schools have turned things around after firings, but it still bothers me that losing isn't acceptable for those schools, but apparently is here.

And outside re-hiring of a college football icon at K-State, how has that worked for KU and Colorado?

And the West Virginia example doesn't apply. Stewart took over a hugely successful program and resigned because he had major health problems.
 

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If that's true, it will kill any and all progress JP has made over the past 10 years. No one in ANY program should survive 3 straight god awful seasons.

I agree 100%, but I think it's in the making. JP thinks long-term and I think he honestly feels that CPR is the right man. He likes the fire CPR has and I think he'll try everything he can to make it work for a couple more years.

I'm not saying I agree with it ( I don't), but I've heard and seen enough to lead me to believe that CPR is here after next year barring a complete disaster of 1-2 wins next year. A bowl game isn't the make or break point next year, despite popular opinion.
 

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If it would take 3 phone calls to raise $5.25 mil, then we have a lot of donors holding back.

You know, it only took 30 years to get a lead donation to cover a PORTION of the south endzone, but three phone calls will get us $5.25 mil.

My thoughts exactly!!
 

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If Rhoads doesn't win next year (see: bowl game or at least competitive more often than not) he'll be gone. A 3-9 season next year will be a death sentence for an already pathetic program.

28-32
20-17
37-30
45-48
31-34
24-37

Seems to me that he isn't very far from that bar right now.
 
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The crowd who would fire the coach now are constructing a lot of straw men in this thread. I see very few who think coach will turn things around. Most of us understand that Pollard is making the best of a bad situation. And yes, he is partly responsible for it.

But no crying over spilled milk -- we can't afford to let Rhoads go, pay him off, pay off the assistants, and potentially pay even more for the next staff. Everyone understands ticket sales may suffer, but as has been explained, Pollard is hoping that the UNI and Iowa games along with the SEZ novelty buys us a year after which it is easier to cut bait or we see enough improvement that we feel good about keeping him around.

It is not that hard to understand what is going on.
 
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As bad as you think things are now, firing a coach won't make them better overnight. Rather, it is likely to make things much worse for a few years. Are all of you that think we should fire the coach willing to accept 2-3 years that are even worse?

I would much prefer 2-3 more years taking a chance with Coach Rhoads than throw away the next few years.
So one win per year instead of two? How exactly is winning two to three games a year and losing to FCS schools any better?
 

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Maybe Shane will see the writing on the wall or get some strong hints from Rhoads that he should be looking around. Isn't that supposedly what happened when Tom Herman left?

No. If it was, that's just another thing to put on the list of reasons Rhoads should go.
 

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It's almost like some people want Iowa State to fail next year just to get rid of Rhoads. I don't understand that logic at all.

I think there are reasons that we could turn it around next year and I'll be rooting like hell for that to happen. Do I think its a given? Heck no. Could we be in a similar situation next year? Sure. But until that happens, I'm going to root for the football team and the coaches instead of predict us to be 0-12 and spout off other stupid crap.
This. 100% this.
 

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For me, the biggest take away in all of this is that JP has essentially consented to ISU being a poor football program. Your head football coach has had 5 straight losing seasons, while winning 5 games total in years 5 and 6 and you stand behind him, proudly. No one will ever confuse ISU as ever being a football power, but this takes things to an even lower level of ISU football suckatude.

As far as people not renewing their tickets for next season (myself included for 3 tickets), that's our prerogative. The fans of sports teams are essentially shareholders in a given program. However, because the 99% of us don't have deep pockets, we can't just call-up the AD and voice our displeasure with the assurance anything will change. What we can do, however, is not throw our money at a product that displeases us. It's the real world with real money and time as investments.

I'm not sorry that I can find better things to do with my family on a Saturday in the fall than to support a program that I don't believe is being run to my (really pretty low) standards. No one is going to make me feel bad about that decision, either. The same goes for those that are purchasing tickets regardless. Your time. Your money. Not my business.

Good riddance, maybe 'Bama nation will accept you into their ranks.
 

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