This is on Bowlsby

[DesertClone1]

You could probably point the fingers at OSU for beating OU.
With that, OU drops out of the Top 25, then making the Baylor and TCU wins less "presentable"

Idk if OSU can hang with Oregon or Bama, but I KNOW TCU could have.

 

[im4cyclones]

Quit being stubborn and add two more teams to the conference and have a championship game.

Our main issue is that our teams were not name-brand teams. If it was OU/UT, one would be in. A conference champ game can work against you too. Lose and you are out.

Had Baylor played anyone with a pulse in OOC, they would be in. This isn't on the commish.

 

[im4cyclones]

Bowlsby screwed up and should have come out and declared BU the champion but he tried to either game the committee or just didn't have the balls to tell TCU tuff luck. Now I don't know if it impacted whether the conference didn't get anyone in.

But why come out and prop up Baylor when TCU was rated #3 going into the weekend? Had they still not picked Baylor, people would have said he torpedoed TCU's chance. He was in a no-win situation.

If the committee wanted a conference championship game, they should have said that all along. They knew what the resume of Baylor and TCU was going to be if each won out (which they did).

 

[im4cyclones]

no doubt in my mind if we had a big 12 championship we would have a final four candidates

So, let's say we had divisions and a championship game... Baylor would play K-State, which they did.

 

[CycloneErik]

Our main issue is that our teams were not name-brand teams. If it was OU/UT, one would be in. A conference champ game can work against you too. Lose and you are out.

Had Baylor played anyone with a pulse in OOC, they would be in. This isn't on the commish.

Your second point negates the first.
Baylor's schedule is just a red herring. It was terrible, but it never mattered when there was a traditional power in competition with them.

 

[Shawker]

Quit with the conspiracy theories. Ohio State has a better resume than Baylor or TCU. Higher SOS and played more teams with a winning record.

 

[cycloneG]

Quit with the conspiracy theories. Ohio State has a better resume than Baylor or TCU. Higher SOS and played more teams with a winning record.

False. TCU's SOS was better than OSU's. Stop spreading ESPN propaganda.

 

[cyhawk55]

TCU shouldn't have ever been in the CFP because it didn't win the conference Baylor did and the committee valued OSU over Baylor. However the Big 12 still got hosed because OSU got bonus points for routing Wisconsin whose rank was inflated from playing in one of the worst divisions in football Ex. Iowa is bowling this year and are awful, plus they had a chance to win that division.

 

[CysRage]

Quit with the conspiracy theories. Ohio State has a better resume than Baylor or TCU. Higher SOS and played more teams with a winning record.

Go back to Hawkeye Nation, hawktard.

 

[sigh]

Quit with the conspiracy theories. Ohio State has a better resume than Baylor or TCU. Higher SOS and played more teams with a winning record.

And yet lost at home to an unranked Vtech team. Doesn't make much sense imo

 

[allday4cy]

Quit with the conspiracy theories. Ohio State has a better resume than Baylor or TCU. Higher SOS and played more teams with a winning record.

Hey Urban. Didnt know you posted here.

 

[Tedcyclone]

The Selection Committee chair & Arkansas AD Jeff Long just made a smart aleck comment on ESPN that "there was some joking by the committee to have Baylor and TCU play in a bowl so the Big 12 had a championship game."

Yay...great to think that our Conference was a joke to them the whole time.

Its more of a damn joke when you think of how many BCS championship games the BIG10 was allowed in without playing a conference title game...

Why everyone is angry is because we think about football first. We make the best football decisions. That is not what happens. The "leaders" make the best business move that is afforded to them. They wanted Ohio State the entire time. They just needed to make sure they could kind of justify it. That win was what they needed to justify it. IT WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED IF BAYLOR WAS PLAYING FOR A BIG12 TITLE, IN A TITLE GAME.

 

[Boomer]

We wouldn't even have a Big 12 conference right now if we didn't stay at 10. Texas and Oklahoma wanted 10, they didn't want to have the potential of getting tripped up in a conference championship game, they wanted the money divided 10 ways and it was all designed before a College Football Playoff. Iowa State and most of the rest of the conference were more than willing to do just that to keep the conference together.

Don't be stupid and blame this on Bowlsby.

Texas wanted TEN. Lets make that clear. Despite my feelings on the league, David Boren loves the league. He wanted 12. He still wants 12, he wants a bridge to WVU

 

[Boomer]

@LandThieves Aug 10
Boren mentions "someday may build geographic bridge to WVU" Nothing in the works now obviously

 

[Tedcyclone]

Here is the history of the Big ten teams in the BCS championship game with no championship game.

02-03 - Ohio State no loss in championship game with no conference championship.

06-07 - Ohio State no loss no championship game.

07-08 - Ohio State 1 loss team no championship game in over Kansas who also had 1 loss but didn't get in the big 12 championship game. Because they lost on the road to missou who was number 3 in the country. ( Ohio State lost at the end of the year, at HOME to unranked Illinois!) The excuse then was well Ohio State is the conference champ. No different a season then Kansas and WAY worse loss.

Ohio deserved the undefeated years as the other teams they were up against had 1 loss, but also had championship games. So championship games weren't as important as wins. 07-08 was the glaring joke to me with current philosophy. My point would be that circumstances will change to fit what is best for business, period. Unless one "lesser" team makes it impossible for them to not pick them by not losing 1 game.

I think Ohio State made a BCS game every year of its existence except for one! Thats because winning your conference regardless of if there was a championship game was the only thing that mattered.

 

[HouClone]

Big 12 got shafted. Baylor had the better wins and played in a much better conference than Ohio State. Even the loss was better. This is going to be a yearly thing. If the ACC, Big 10, Pac-12, and SEC win their championship games, they are in over a Big 12 team due to the extra win on the resume. The odds weren't great that they all would win their games though, probably like 20% all higher ranked teams go 4 for 4. Hate the fact though that the Big 12 can't control their own destiny unless they go undefeated.

I still see staying at 10 teams as don't see another school out there besides BYU for the 12th. Take the playoff "defeat" and move on. It will help if Alabama curb stomps Ohio State and TCU and Baylor wins. That will help the committee reconsider their thinking in future years.

 

[nj829]

Big 12 screwed up, they need to jump the rush to 16 and add 4 at least, Cincinnati, UCF, BYU, and CSU now, bring in BYU's ESPN football contract. Memphis and UCONN or USF is they want 16.&

 

[Stormin]

Big 12 screwed up, they need to jump the rush to 16 and add 4 at least, Cincinnati, UCF, BYU, and CSU now, bring in BYU's ESPN football contract. Memphis and UCONN or USF is they want 16.&

Better to lose out on a couple million dollars this year then to bring in 4 or 6 teams to siphon off millions of dollars every year.

We should not expand to just expand. What needs to be done now is to hold the College Football Committee's feet to the fire and get them to specify EXACTLY what the criteria used for selection of the four teams.

The entire "Body of Work" was ignored when it came to Ohio State. They beat a Wisconsin team that had a single Top 25 win over Nebraska. And Ohio State only had 2 Top 25 wins. Feasting on a conference schedule of teams ranked between 50 and 60 does not make you a great team. It is almost like playing in the MAC.

 

[isu81]

I agree. The explanation of picking Ohio State over Baylor was that they played a tougher non-conference schedule. Okay. But Ohio State LOST to a freaking 6-6 Va Tech team in their non-conference schedule. Then the committee turns around and totally disregards that the Big Ten is a weak conference, while the Big 12 is the strongest conference in the country.

Absurd.

Not sure if you're being serious or not. But our conference ended up with 3 ranked teams. Pac 12 had 6, SEC 7. Big 10 had 4. With more teams. I'll give you B12>B10. But "best in the country "?

 

[cyclones18]

I think its a joke that the pundits are ripping the Big XII for not having a Championship game when 2 years ago Bowlsby commissioned to have one and was told that our conference would not be allowed to have one because we only have 10 teams and no divisions...funny how that never mattered in the Pac 12 or Big 11 who they all believe are superior to our conference despite the lack of success on the big stage, Ohio State, and the lack of quality/competitiveness of the Pac 10/12