This. A championship game wouldn't have changed anything this year, it was about $$$ not football. New system same motivations.
BYU & ND to the BIG12...!?
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This. A championship game wouldn't have changed anything this year, it was about $$$ not football. New system same motivations.
Because a 10 team big 12 sucks for ISU as a fan. That is my biggest reason for expansion.
Only for football. And seeing as I'm an ISU alum and lifelong fan, I naturally have never really cared that much about ISU football.
From an ISU perspective I think we are better off staying at 10 and collecting more of the pie (versus having the TV loot being split between 12 teams). Its not like we have to worry about being left out of the football final four anytime soon.
don't play in a conference championship. If ND had 1 loss this year, you think they were getting in?
I think ND may see the writing on the wall, as long as they stay at a 4 team playoff - it will be hard for ND to get into the final 4. They would have to run the table and hope the P5 conferences don't have 4 teams run the table.
I love having 10 team for basketball, you get to play everyone twice a year and it works really well. For Football I wish we had 12 so we didn't have to play OU or Baylor every year.
btw if you weren't around this board during all the realignment talk you could find the exact same thing being said about Notre Dame. They didn't have to join a conference then and they don't now. As long as they continue to bring in the viewers they don't need a conference.
Absolutely. They would have beaten 4 of the 5 of FSU, Stanford, ASU, USC, Louisville, and won 4 more games against power 5 teams and 2 more D1 teams.
I guess I just don't see it this way. ND is a media darling. They love to talk about ND, they used to do just about anything to get them in the BCS, even with more losses than every other team available. They are always ranked unless they totally **** the bed. They have a lot easier road to the final 4 doing it like they do now, being able to basically pick and choose their schedule. They'll never be tied to 9 conference games and can go ahead and keep their schedule about half full of cupcake games.
The ND name definitely holds more wather than TCU or Baylor. No way a 1 loss ND gets left out of this years playoff. As has been said a lot already. The non-championship game was just a convenient excuse. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that that the committee called ND right after the game and emphasized to them, "Don't worry, this championship thing doesn't pertain to you."
The only way ND ever joins a conference, is if the committee comes out and says there is a rule, "To qualify, you must play in a conference championship game." Even at that point, I still wonder if ND looks at all their piles of money and wonder if a title is really worth sharing some of that cash.
Hell, don't fool yourselves. If Miss. St. wouldn't have lost their last game, they wouldn't have played in the championship game and yet, they would have been in the playoff. Until they lost, it was pretty much a sealed deal that they were in as well as Alabama.
This is the first year of the FBS playoff. Why does the Big XII need to make a change right now? One conference will be left out each year. Why not see how the committee makes decisions for 3-4 years before making a decades long decision and inviting 2+ schools to join the conference. Once you add a school they're there to stay. The only way that school leaves is if they ever accept an invitation to another conference. Secondly, the only schools available are in the American Athletic, MWC, CUSA, Sunbelt or MAC (or independent). The Power 5 conferences have all their members locked in with Grant of Rights agreements. The only change the big XII needs to do for next year is if two teams have identical records have a list of tie breakers so that one of them will be declared the conference champion. (For some reason my return key wasn't working so I couldn't make paragraphs.)
Only way Notre Dame joins a conference in football is if they lose their NBC deal or it is required for playoffs. That is a cash cow for the university. ACC is a really good fit for some of their programs like soccer. Old alumni will never forget some of the bigotry and boycotting Yost and Michigan unleashed on Notre Dame, so no way they ever join the B1G. If they ever lose the NBC deal and feel they have to join a conference in football, it will be ACC most likely, I suppose they would consider Big 12.
In football, if they join a conference, they will be stretched a bit because of the teams they always want to play. They will always play Navy, unless Navy no longer wants the game, because they credit the Navy with saving the university during WW II. They will always probably try and play USC because they picked up that game during the Yost boycott. Not sure if their ACC deal lets them always keep Michigan State and Purdue, but I am sure they would like to as I believe they may have ignored Yost's call for a midwestern boycott at least some years.
In football, if they join a conference, they will be stretched a bit because of the teams they always want to play. They will always play Navy, unless Navy no longer wants the game, because they credit the Navy with saving the university during WW II. They will always probably try and play USC because they picked up that game during the Yost boycott. Not sure if their ACC deal lets them always keep Michigan State and Purdue, but I am sure they would like to as I believe they may have ignored Yost's call for a midwestern boycott at least some years.
Saying ND to the Big 12 is like saying Hoiberg to the NBA. The Big 12 wants them, but that doesn't mean they are joining.
Who was a 1 loss ND going to replace? A 1 loss Big 10 team with the name Ohio St? Oregon/Bama? Or an undefeated FSU team?
If ND would have lost only 1 game (FSU), they would have 1 top 25 win to their resume and no conference championship. Their resume would have been worse than TCU who finished 6th
Baseball will be played at ISU again before ND joins the conference
The odds are better that the Big 12 blows up before ND would ever join
The odds are better that the Big 12 blows up before ND would ever join
Notre Dame fans do not believe a one loss ND is a media darling based on the 1989 and 1993 national championships. 1989 champs Miami also had one loss but won the head to head with Notre Dame and won championship. In 1993, with Notre Dame and Florida State both with one loss and Notre Dame winning the head to head, FSU gets championship. Lou years and he brings it up constantly.
