Tinsley > Morris if you want me to compare those two right now. It's not even close. For those of us who went to ISU and watched Tinsley play back in the day (in college basketball), he was unreal. He had power of Kane, dribble skills of professor (from AND1 tour), and shooting touch of Hogue (this is sarcasm btw). I don't know if anyone can beat Tinsley in one on one ball.
Tinsley or Morris
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As many have said, it is way too early for this comparison. JT was already a mature, seasoned point guard when he transferred to ISU. Monte has a couple of years to develop into that.
I do think Monte has the potential to be as good as JT, but he still needs to improve in many areas to reach that level including ball-handling, scoring and passing. JT was something special, and Monte may get there.
I also think Hornacek should be a part of the discussion. Not as fancy a ball-handler or passer as JT, but his basketbasll IQ was off the charts, and he was a GREAT shooter.
I do think Monte has the potential to be as good as JT, but he still needs to improve in many areas to reach that level including ball-handling, scoring and passing. JT was something special, and Monte may get there.
I also think Hornacek should be a part of the discussion. Not as fancy a ball-handler or passer as JT, but his basketbasll IQ was off the charts, and he was a GREAT shooter.
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I recall watching ISU play a game at Marquette and thinking Holloway was the worst D1 player I had ever seen. He couldn't even get the team into the offense that night. It is unbelievable how much value Floyd squeezed out of that kid.
Tired of seeing Iowa State produce so many European guys. I want desperately to see cyclone alumni make an impact in the NBA. I predict Morris, Niang, and BDJ, will all be European. I do also think that Morris has the best shot at making it to the NBA.
We need five star recruits badly to take this program to the next level. Fred needs a track record of getting guys into the NBA. Best chance with that is landing a five star high school student. Once that is rolling, I think we see higher skilled recruits coming here.
We need five star recruits badly to take this program to the next level. Fred needs a track record of getting guys into the NBA. Best chance with that is landing a five star high school student. Once that is rolling, I think we see higher skilled recruits coming here.
Duh. Of course it's Tinsley at this point. We all know Morris is very good and could be great, but Tinsley was simply amazing.
It's got to be Tinsley and it's not even close at this time. Give Monte time and he might be up there with Tinsley, but both of them will always be as different as you can get two players playing the same position. This comparison is really apples to oranges.
On a side note, the thing that always stands out to me for Tinsley was that he never seemed to be running full speed. Always seem to be going no faster than a jog and still beat defenders to the basket. His court vision was outstanding and some of his turnovers were really just due to pass receivers missing some amazing dishes. Here is how I see the two:
Tinsley
-high risk, high reward with his passes
-great ability to get in the paint
-fearless competitor
-unreal ball-handling skills
Morris
-makes the sure pass, few (if any) errors
-scores when needed (getting better at this)
-great defender
-great composure under pressure
On a side note, the thing that always stands out to me for Tinsley was that he never seemed to be running full speed. Always seem to be going no faster than a jog and still beat defenders to the basket. His court vision was outstanding and some of his turnovers were really just due to pass receivers missing some amazing dishes. Here is how I see the two:
Tinsley
-high risk, high reward with his passes
-great ability to get in the paint
-fearless competitor
-unreal ball-handling skills
Morris
-makes the sure pass, few (if any) errors
-scores when needed (getting better at this)
-great defender
-great composure under pressure
The true comparison may start at the beginning of next year, vs the first games Tinsley played.
Both will likely have All American candidate forward playing for them, both have what I think are excellent head coaches. Wins is the stat to look at more than anything because of how much faster Fred's teams try to play than Larry's.
I think it's going to be a really close discussion two years from now.
Monte is 6'2" 170 right now and still filling out, with his elite ball skills on both sides of the ball there's not a limit to where he can take his game beyond ISU, his size is not a limit at all given his specialty. I do think he will be a more consistent pro than Tinsley (which isn't saying that much because Tins was wildly inconsistent as a pro) because he seems to have a lot of off the court maturity and focus. Tinsley easily could have been a household name as an NBA player, he got a triple double early his rookie season. I am very happy he was able to make the late career comeback that he did and seemed to have finally figured things out for himself.
Tinsley was a great pick pocket, when it mattered he was as good as I've seen in college, similar to how Smart could seemingly get a steal whenever he wanted. A big reason he dominated Kansas head to head was late in a lot of those games he would get key steals and take them down for very easy scores.
Anyone have the .gif of the pass Monte threw Ejim in the Tourney? I cannot find it. That pass is insane.
It's a little bit early for this discussion but Monte is playing himself into the discussion. Hopefully he'll keep it up and become the greatest PG in Cyclone history in another couple of years. Tinsley was the most amazing ball handler I'll ever see. I was lucky to go to school while he was playing. Here is classic Tinsley toying with the opponent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy7BHcExrGc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy7BHcExrGc
