The most impressive thing about our 2015 football recruiting class....
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I agree that offers from other P5 schools carries more weight than "Rival Stars" and I, too, am inpressed. After CPR's first three years, several major upsets and bowl appearances, he was unable to build off of the success with recruiting. I attribute the current class upgrade to several combination of events: much improvement of physical facilities, evidently a staff that recruits better (Ayeni & Mangino), consistent good attendance even with below par success on the field, realizing that the K-State model of JC recruitment has been successful (and getting some of those offered by K-State by stating the obvious that Snyder could "go down" at any time), being able to legitimately put the "carrot" out there and guarantee a real opportunity to get on the field quickly and finally just maybe CPR and the rest of the staff have a little more pressure to get competitive right now.
Kansas State and Texas are prime examples that recuiting rankings are so overrated.....in opposite ways of course
I'd say they are examples that one staff is great at developing talent and another staff as of recently has been awful at developing talent.
I would argue against this class looking "stout" and impressive when you compare it against previous years. Last year we ranked 56, this year we rank 66 according to Yahoo/Rivals.com. That isn't the worst we've done (2nd worst of the past 6 recruiting cycles), but every year about this time people start rewriting history to make it seem like we've turned a recruiting corner, almost exactly to the tune of this thread.
Again, I love CPR and want him to succeed, but let's not start revising history to create an aura of accomplishment on the recruiting trail.
Again, I love CPR and want him to succeed, but let's not start revising history to create an aura of accomplishment on the recruiting trail.
| Class | Rivals Rank | 6-Year Trend Rank |
| 2010 | 60th | 4th |
| 2011 | 51st | 1st |
| 2012 | 88th | 6th |
| 2013 | 58th | 3rd |
| 2014 | 56th | 2nd |
| 2015 | 66th | 5th |
A problem is built right into the ranking system when they essentially ignore jucos in the class rankings and KState relies so heavily on them.
These rankings correlate to stars...though they are inclusive of talent rankings within the star ranges. In other words, the rankings are pretty accurate for the top 30 or so schools because the high end recruits...the 4 and 5 star guys...are well researched by the scouting services. After the top 30 or so, you can tell far more about where a class should rank by looking at offers...because kids in the 3 and 2 star range are FAR more closely scrutinized by the coaching staffs who make the offers, than they are by the rating services. So a ranking that fluctuates between 51 and 80+ over a time span is more likely reflecting statistical volatility than it is showing real differences in the talent levels of recruited kids. In my opinion, and I am no expert to say the least, the fact that coaching staffs are after a kid in the 2/3 star range will tell you FAR more about their ability than a power rating from a recruiting service.
I would agree, but I think you could say that ranking have a swing of maybe 15 or so spots in that regard. Either way, let's say they underestimate the recruits we got and we move up 10 spots to what we were ranked last year, that still doesn't give me reason to call the class "stout" or amazing like some have suggested.
I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing, just trying to put into perspective the recruiting class as ranked by a national organization that does it for a living. Their methods certainly have flaws, as does any method, but when you put it into ranges and add room for oversight, we're still in the range we've been the past 6 years, not remarkably different.
Also, I don't know what to believe anymore regarding whether real serious offers or some type of conditional offer(we will offer if the guy we really want de-commits) was made by the other schools.
I don't think we disagree as much as you may think on this issue. I think our primary disagreement is on just how far off a Rivals ranking can be....I think a range of 15 is far too small once you are looking at teams in that 35-85 range. What complicates this even more, and was mentioned above, is that Rivals is very bad at rating JUCO's. Adding to that, Rivals has no way of looking at how a kid's abilities fit into a particular team's schemes on offense and/or defense...nor can they look at work ethic, physical growth potential, and a myriad of other factors that a coaching staff comparing a wide range of 2/3 star guys CAN and WILL do.
So I guess I'm saying that "offers" is a better way to look at a kids broader potential, as coaches see it, than is the star/power ranking assigned by Rivals and others. Both are imperfect measuring tools, but I think Rivals is far more flawed OTHER than in its analysis of 4/5 star guys...and perhaps some of the higher 3 star players. I think Seth Nerness is a good example of this...coaches from Michigan, K-State, North Carolina, West Virginia and Missouri pursuing him tells me he has tremendous potential, and yet he's a 2 star kid. Clearly, his offer list is a far more accurate tool for measuring his talent than the scouting services.
No argument at all on that. A talented kid coming to ISU is much more likely to see the field earlier in his career in all likelihood. At the same time, when multiple Power 5 Conference Schools offer, they generally have talent.
I don't think this class is much different from others this staff has tried to bring in but you have to give them props for putting this class together after what the program has been through the last 6 months. Tomorrow could be the brightest spot this program has had since August.
I knew there was a good reason I joined the Cyclone Gridiron Club last week.
It can't be senility already, right?
It can't be senility already, right?
So are wins because we habitually oversell ourselves in our recruits when comparing them to other programs in conference. We'll sometimes say we have the horses but for X, Y or Zed...
Just win. No more smoke telling us something we don't see. No more excuses placed on former coaches or treadmills. No more whining about backup QBs or practice squad monsters. No more diamond in the rough or hidden gem cliches. Line up and smash someone in the mouth and win a friggin game.
Projecting a 16 year old kid leaving home is a TAD different than projecting a 23 year old man. Plus the NFL can pick the kids they want and pay them. Like the SEC.
Some of that is fewer recruits than other schools since we have a young and inexperienced team
I love this part of the recruiting cycle. We all watch some HIGHLY edited recruiting tapes then talk ourselves into having one of our best recruiting classes ever and rationalize the national media as not having an eye for talent and since we're ISU all our kids are penalized 1 star automatically.
Fastest team ever! Most physically ready team ever! Most overlooked talent ever!
Glad to have them all. Now just win.
