Official 2015 Hoiberg NBA Speculation Thread

[Inspired]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

why do other coaches like coach K stay at a school?

Good question, and my guess would be that those coaches prefer the dynamics of dealing with college kids than pros. I'm sure they could all live without the recruiting, but dealing with NBA players carries its own set of issues.

Also, guys like Coach K and Izzo are basically minor (or not so minor) deities in their present positions, and there are plenty of examples of coaches who had it almost as good at the college level and got chewed up and spit out by the NBA. The best college guys are also now making money nearly as good, and in some cases better, than what the NBA currently offers. Coach K reportedly makes $10M.

 

[Spam]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Actually it is new. I believe Pollard to date has said "if he has the NBA itch, he will someday scratch it" and not "From Day 1 Fred said he wants to be in the NBA".

I think the closest I've heard Pollard say was "yes, I believe someday he will coach in the NBA"

http://amestrib.com/hines-hoops/jamie-pollard-i-think-yes-some-point-hoiberg-will-coach-nba

 

[SpokaneCY]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Coach K / Bobby Knights of the world, saw themselves more as educators than coaches. I think they liked the opportunity to take kids and mold them into quality men. Up until the last couple of years, Coach K had kids for 3-4 years, not just OAD's.

Big thing right there.

 

[CyTwins]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/99339/ads-fighting-to-keep-good-coaches

“Do I think he would coach in the NBA? I think yes, at some point he will,” Pollard said. “Just look at how he runs our. He runs it like it's an NBA team. I think he's wired to do that but at this stage in his life with his young kids and his family situation, I think he's in the right place for him personally at this point and time. So I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it.”

 

[jsb]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Actually it is new. I believe Pollard to date has said "if he has the NBA itch, he will someday scratch it" and not "From Day 1 Fred said he wants to be in the NBA".

You are right, this is slightly different. I am hoping that when push comes to shove he won't be able to leave.

 

[AdamJGray]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I can't help but laugh at the claim that this article is written to get "clicks" on the site. I've said it before, but CF doesn't need to click bait to have great traffic. The site has good traffic because of the great work by CW, Rob, and the rest of the guys that help provide quality content. That and the posters of course!

Blum isn't an employee of Cyclone Fanatic. He is not an owner. He doesn't get paid by clicks. He is an independent contractor who, because of his fantastic writing, we trust to write about anything he wants. He feels this is a topic worth writing about. Some agree, some disagree. That happens, but this is hardly a story that is being made up by local media to get clicks. It's a national story! One of the top NBA writers, Adrian Wojnarowski, has written about this. I've heard Dan Patrick talk about it in the last week. Yet we at Cyclone Fanatic are suppose to ignore it?

Agree/disagree with Blum's stance in the article all you want. That is what this site is for. I just don't think it is fair to accuse him of trying to stir up site traffic with this article.

Also, because I like to disagree with Blum about everything, I will predict Holberg is back in 2015.

 

[allfourcy]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I don't agree with expectations can suck the fun out of winning. There are many programs with HUGE expectations that have coaches that love their life, and still love winning. Losing sucks period, expectations or not. Winning is awesome always expectations or not. Dont tell me Fred has too much pressure here now. Any coach anywhere that is winning has pressure to keep winning. Any business person small or large that has success has DAILY pressure to stay successful. Not only for themselves, but also their families, and communities. If you didnt like or couldnt handle pressure you wouldnt be coaching, or in charge of anything. That wont change in Chicago. In fact leaving for Chicago will create a lot more pressure then staying in Ames. Go to Chicago and suck, then try to come back because you couldnt cut it.

Yes, every coach has pressure. But that doesn't mean every person internalizes or embraces it the same way. But, I do agree the desire to go to the NBA is the number one (and only) reason he'd leave, combined with the opportunity to do so with a team/organization you desire to lead. I don't think anyone is suggesting Fred would leave due to anything that he doesn't like about his job here, but rather the opportunity to coach at the highest level with the world's best basketball players. Guessing his kids/family will be just as excited to have their dad be the Bulls head coach as they would the Cyclone head coach. Selfishly, I hope there are more than enough reasons to make him say "no" to any offer for the upcoming season, but its all in his hands.

 

[allfourcy]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I can't help but laugh at the claim that this article is written to get "clicks" on the site. I've said it before, but CF doesn't need to click bait to have great traffic. The site has good traffic because of the great work by CW, Rob, and the rest of the guys that help provide quality content. That and the posters of course!

Blum isn't an employee of Cyclone Fanatic. He is not an owner. He doesn't get paid by clicks. He is an independent contractor who, because of his fantastic writing, we trust to write about anything he wants. He feels this is a topic worth writing about. Some agree, some disagree. That happens, but this is hardly a story that is being made up by local media to get clicks. It's a national story! One of the top NBA writers, Adrian Wojnarowski, has written about this. I've heard Dan Patrick talk about it in the last week. Yet we at Cyclone Fanatic are suppose to ignore it?

Agree/disagree with Blum's stance in the article all you want. That is what this site is for. I just don't think it is fair to accuse him of trying to stir up site traffic with this article.

Also, because I like to disagree with Blum about everything, I will predict Holberg is back in 2015.

Well said. And I hope your prediction comes true.

 

[Cloned4Life]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Brent this is the very definition of a 'run-of-the-mill' article. Who are you writing this for? Literally nothing new or original in here. The 3 bolded paragraphs have been written 30 times already by 30 different journalists. It's strange that Cyclone Fanatic would regurgitate this stuff again.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Same recycled conversation, just a new week.

 

[Jacktronic]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Travis Hines article:

http://amestrib.com/sports/men-s-basketball-pollard-discusses-hoiberg-s-lifelong-goal-nba

 

[Cydkar]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I can't help but laugh at the claim that this article is written to get "clicks" on the site. I've said it before, but CF doesn't need to click bait to have great traffic. The site has good traffic because of the great work by CW, Rob, and the rest of the guys that help provide quality content. That and the posters of course!

Blum isn't an employee of Cyclone Fanatic. He is not an owner. He doesn't get paid by clicks. He is an independent contractor who, because of his fantastic writing, we trust to write about anything he wants. He feels this is a topic worth writing about. Some agree, some disagree. That happens, but this is hardly a story that is being made up by local media to get clicks. It's a national story! One of the top NBA writers, Adrian Wojnarowski, has written about this. I've heard Dan Patrick talk about it in the last week. Yet we at Cyclone Fanatic are suppose to ignore it?

Agree/disagree with Blum's stance in the article all you want. That is what this site is for. I just don't think it is fair to accuse him of trying to stir up site traffic with this article.

Also, because I like to disagree with Blum about everything, I will predict Holberg is back in 2015.

I don't agree or disagree with what he wrote and I also think he's an awesome writer. That said, the subject is far less fascinating than it once was. Sunrises, which happen daily, are often much more interesting.

I'm close to wishing he'd leave so the subject could die. Of course, that's a bit of hyperbole.

 

[jsb]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I can't help but laugh at the claim that this article is written to get "clicks" on the site. I've said it before, but CF doesn't need to click bait to have great traffic. The site has good traffic because of the great work by CW, Rob, and the rest of the guys that help provide quality content. That and the posters of course!Blum isn't an employee of Cyclone Fanatic. He is not an owner. He doesn't get paid by clicks. He is an independent contractor who, because of his fantastic writing, we trust to write about anything he wants. He feels this is a topic worth writing about. Some agree, some disagree. That happens, but this is hardly a story that is being made up by local media to get clicks. It's a national story! One of the top NBA writers, Adrian Wojnarowski, has written about this. I've heard Dan Patrick talk about it in the last week. Yet we at Cyclone Fanatic are suppose to ignore it?Agree/disagree with Blum's stance in the article all you want. That is what this site is for. I just don't think it is fair to accuse him of trying to stir up site traffic with this article. Also, because I like to disagree with Blum about everything, I will predict Holberg is back in 2015.

Look...I don't think you guys are posting this because you want page views. I do wonder if there is some 'priming' of the fanbase from people that know and like Fred's replacement. And I do think that is a waste of time. Nothing that anyone says is going to make me happy that tj replaces Fred. On the positive for tj, I'd only be somewhat happy with one guy, so he's not unique. But you've got to expect a **** show when you write about Fred leaving. Think of how unhinged everyone got during the season. This is so much worse than any of that. You have people (like me) who worry about it. You have people that are deniers. You have people who think avoiding the topic makes it go away. You have people who are trying to project their feelings on big cities and the nba to Fred. Fred leaving would easily be the worst thing that has happened to Iowa state athletics.

 

[Cydkar]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I'll stand by my prediction: If the Bulls job opens this summer and Hoiberg doesn't take it...he will never leave ISU for another job, coaching or front office or AD or otherwise.

I'll bet you any amount of money.

 

[CintiClone]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Sometimes personal life goals are supplanted by other priorities. My guess, not knowing Fred, is he has a set of priorities that includes personal goals, family, friends, legacy, Iowa State, income and his faith, not necessarily in that order.

The thoughts on this board by all of us mirror image our priorities onto Fred. No one knows for sure except Fred. Blum included.

We could all write the Blum article with a different perspective and by the end of tomorrow we all will have on this message board, or at least thought it, and a fair number of us will disagree with some and find common ground with others. Pollard has a great perspective - not going to worry about it. Most of us, myself included, do think about it however, at least a little.

My $0.02 (pure speculation)
1. CFH wants to leave ISU in a better place than he found it.
2. CFH isn't terribly concerned about the money of the NBA over the money he makes at ISU
3. CFH Doesn't wants to spend time with his family and can do more of that in Ames than anywhere with an NBA head coaching job. This is even more true with the health factor thrown in.
4. CFH wants to shape the future of young men, not babysit grown men.
5. CFH has that lingering question - what if? when it comes to the NBA.
6. CFH needs to coach for than 5 years at ISU to become a lasting legend as opposed to a footnote - after all, how many really remember Cael Sanderson, and how many will remember him 10 years from now?

So... my guess is CFH is at ISU for a long time. His ego will be stroked sufficiently simply by being offered an NBA head coaching position.

Safe place to post since this will be burried within minutes

 

[clonefan24]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

If the Bulls job opens up, I'd bet that he leaves. Hope I'm wrong, but I think the timing is right for him. Personally, I think Fred is done coaching all together within the next 5 years. I think his health/condition is undervalued when people talk about him becoming an ISU legend and coming back to ISU after his time in the NBA. With that said, his time is running out if he wants to make the jump.

 

[fsanford]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Sometimes personal life goals are supplanted by other priorities. My guess, not knowing Fred, is he has a set of priorities that includes personal goals, family, friends, legacy, Iowa State, income and his faith, not necessarily in that order.

The thoughts on this board by all of us mirror image our priorities onto Fred. No one knows for sure except Fred. Blum included.

We could all write the Blum article with a different perspective and by the end of tomorrow we all will have on this message board, or at least thought it, and a fair number of us will disagree with some and find common ground with others. Pollard has a great perspective - not going to worry about it. Most of us, myself included, do think about it however, at least a little.

My $0.02 (pure speculation)
1. CFH wants to leave ISU in a better place than he found it.
2. CFH isn't terribly concerned about the money of the NBA over the money he makes at ISU
3. CFH Doesn't wants to spend time with his family and can do more of that in Ames than anywhere with an NBA head coaching job. This is even more true with the health factor thrown in.
4. CFH wants to shape the future of young men, not babysit grown men.
5. CFH has that lingering question - what if? when it comes to the NBA.
6. CFH needs to coach for than 5 years at ISU to become a lasting legend as opposed to a footnote - after all, how many really remember Cael Sanderson, and how many will remember him 10 years from now?

So... my guess is CFH is at ISU for a long time. His ego will be stroked sufficiently simply by being offered an NBA head coaching position.

Safe place to post since this will be burried within minutes

Agree Pollard knows the day will come and Fred has been up front about the NBA. Fred has paid ISU back 10 fold

 

[rholtgraves]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I think it is dumb to think he would leave this year so that a roster is more attractive to a prospective coach. That won't factor into his decision and nor should it. He will leave when he is ready and for job he feels is good and if it is good for his family. It will not be about what roster he leaves the next coach. Also don't understand why he should go to the NBA sooner rather than later? What's the difference?
The long term success of the next coach is not going to depend on what roster he inherits for his first year.
Don't get this article at all

 

[aeroclone]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Get to coach the best players in the world, get to go up against the best players and coaches in the world, get to spend a lot more time on just basketball, all the recruiting and booster obligations go away.

It is clearly the best players, but I don't know about the best coaches. I don't know that there are guys in the NBA that are clearly above Self, K, Izzo, etc. Heck, Team USA has been handled by college guys the last few years after having some disappointing outings, and seems to be doing quite well now. I think in the current environment it is easier to establish your legacy as a coach at the college level.

 

[Goldfinger]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I think it is dumb to think he would leave this year so that a roster is more attractive to a prospective coach. That won't factor into his decision and nor should it. He will leave when he is ready and for job he feels is good and if it is good for his family. It will not be about what roster he leaves the next coach. Also don't understand why he should go to the NBA sooner rather than later? What's the difference?
The long term success of the next coach is not going to depend on what roster he inherits for his first year.
Don't get this article at all

exactly, leaving now would absolutely crush Georges, Naz, McKay, Monte, etc. When first diagnosed with the heart problem in the NBA, Fred said if it was only himself to think about, he'd definitely would have kept playing, but he had to think about his wife and kids. Can't see how he'd let so many down now, by chasing an NBA job.