Official 2015 Hoiberg NBA Speculation Thread

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Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Maybe we need to get a petition to keep Fred in Ames going. Seemed to work the first time
Fred would have stayed if we'd been able to change Ames, IA to Hoiberg, USA.

You brought this upon yourselves, Cyclone Nation.
 

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I do not, & probably will never, understand the whole taking any other job for the pay when you're at that level.

2 MILLION dollars, for 1 year. Really? With common sense (which Fred has plenty), how would you, your kids, & their kids not be more than comfortable after 5 or so years?

I'm not even saying that is/would be a deciding factor for him, I just don't know why it would weigh that much in most of these coaches/players decisions. I would think many other things would be more important.
 

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This is what I don't get. They are running out of town the most successful coach they've had since Phil Jackson. DRose is, at best, 50/50 as to weather or not he'll be playing a full Season. A lot of the team is getting up there in age. This year seemed the me the Bulls best shot at getting a championship. The Bulls job is far from the disaster it was when Floyd took over, but it is starting to have an eerily similar feel to "Time to rebuild"

And again the front office issues. Would you really want to take over any team knowing that if your philosophy doesn't match up with the office, you are likely gone.

I honestly wish Fred all the best in anything he wants to do, it's one of the reasons I really hope he doesn't take the Bulls job. I really don't think it will work out well.

Well in the spirit of a full discussion that's really not that impressive considering Vinny Del Negro is second on that list...
 

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Unless they are lying (possible), I think no one on the team knows what Fred will do. Or at least they didn't last year...and they said so publicly.

I think you are right. And, I think that's a bummer for them. Look, I get that Fred shouldn't or couldn't comment on a job that's not open yet. But....the privacy due to the heart surgery ( and rightly so) is turning out to be conveniently good timing for him not to have to answer questions on this. Would bet he's talked on the phone to NBA management during this time, though. For all we know ( and maybe Blum and CW do) , the deal/or decision could already be done.
 

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I do not, & probably will never, understand the whole taking any other job for the pay when you're at that level.

2 MILLION dollars, for 1 year. Really? With common sense (which Fred has plenty), how would you, your kids, & their kids not be more than comfortable after 5 or so years?

I'm not even saying that is/would be a deciding factor for him, I just don't know why it would weigh that much in most of these coaches/players decisions. I would think many other things would be more important.

I get what you're saying but it's hard to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

Someone that makes $25k/yr can't imagine why someone wouldn't be content with $75k/yr, but most people making $75k want a lot more than that to be secure/happy.

Like you, I don't believe it's just about the money for Fred, but money always enters the equation. I can't fault a guy with a heart condition (who may think his window for coaching/earning is 5-10 years), for wanting to maximize his salary for his family's future.

He's paid well right now IMO, but the Bulls could more than double what he makes without batting an eye.

All else being equal, that could make the decision that much easier.
 

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I think you are right. And, I think that's a bummer for them. Look, I get that Fred shouldn't or couldn't comment on a job that's not open yet. But....the privacy due to the heart surgery ( and rightly so) is turning out to be conveniently good timing for him not to have to answer questions on this. Would bet he's talked on the phone to NBA management during this time, though. For all we know ( and maybe Blum and CW do) , the deal/or decision could already be done.

I'm pretty sure you would have a hard time finding a time period when he hasn't talked to NBA management during his entire coaching tenure at ISU. The guy has a ton of friends and contacts in the NBA.
 

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I get what you're saying but it's hard to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

Someone that makes $25k/yr can't imagine why someone wouldn't be content with $75k/yr, but most people making $75k want a lot more than that to be secure/happy.

Like you, I don't believe it's just about the money for Fred, but money always enters the equation. I can't fault a guy with a heart condition (who may think his window for coaching/earning is 5-10 years), for wanting to maximize his salary for his family's future.

He's paid well right now IMO, but the Bulls could more than double what he makes without batting an eye.

All else being equal, that could make the decision that much easier.

Yep, totally understand what you're saying & agree for the most part.

I do think he will have ample earning opportunities for the rest of his life (coaching or otherwise) in Ames, though. Just putting his name on a restaurant or something would be a goldmine.
 

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Someone said something along the lines of if ISU doesn't make the tournament in the next few years that Fred's desirability would go down. Take a look at Billy Donovan, he peaked years ago and has been on the decline ever since and yet still got hired to the NBA.

Personally, I think he has unfinished business here.


Yeah, I'd say this is definitely peaking: 3 EE and a FF in 4 straight years?? 2 national championships under his belt? Yeah, he may have found a good time to leave. But wow that is peaking.

1996–97Florida13–175–115th (East)
1997–98Florida14–156–106th (East)NIT First Round
1998–99Florida22–910–63rd (East)NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1999–00Florida29–812–4T–1st (East)NCAA Runner-up
2000–01Florida24–712–4T–1st (East)NCAA Second Round
2001–02Florida22–910–6T–1st (East)NCAA First Round
2002–03Florida25–812–42nd (East)NCAA Second Round
2003–04Florida20–119–72nd (East)NCAA First Round
2004–05Florida24–812–42nd (East)NCAA Second Round
2005–06Florida33–610–62nd (East)NCAA Champions
2006–07Florida35–513–31st (East)NCAA Champions
2007–08Florida24–128–84th (East)NIT Semifinals
2008–09Florida25–119–73rd (East)NIT Quarterfinals
2009–10Florida21–139–74th (East)NCAA First Round
2010–11Florida29–813–31st (East)NCAA Elite Eight
2011–12Florida26–1110–6T–2ndNCAA Elite Eight
2012–13Florida29–814–41stNCAA Elite Eight
2013–14Florida36–318–01stNCAA Final Four
2014–15Florida16–178–10T–8th

 

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This is the first time I've really starte buying into all the hype. Where there is smoke there is fire.... and right now there is a TON of smoke.

I remember Fred discussing how Johnny stepped down with a full roster of players to help coach Floyd. I wont be surprised if he does the same.

He was one of them
 

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Yeah, I'd say this is definitely peaking: 3 EE and a FF in 4 straight years?? 2 national championships under his belt? Yeah, he may have found a good time to leave. But wow that is peaking.

1996–97Florida13–175–115th (East)
1997–98Florida14–156–106th (East)NIT First Round
1998–99Florida22–910–63rd (East)NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1999–00Florida29–812–4T–1st (East)NCAA Runner-up
2000–01Florida24–712–4T–1st (East)NCAA Second Round
2001–02Florida22–910–6T–1st (East)NCAA First Round
2002–03Florida25–812–42nd (East)NCAA Second Round
2003–04Florida20–119–72nd (East)NCAA First Round
2004–05Florida24–812–42nd (East)NCAA Second Round
2005–06Florida33–610–62nd (East)NCAA Champions
2006–07Florida35–513–31st (East)NCAA Champions
2007–08Florida24–128–84th (East)NIT Semifinals
2008–09Florida25–119–73rd (East)NIT Quarterfinals
2009–10Florida21–139–74th (East)NCAA First Round
2010–11Florida29–813–31st (East)NCAA Elite Eight
2011–12Florida26–1110–6T–2ndNCAA Elite Eight
2012–13Florida29–814–41stNCAA Elite Eight
2013–14Florida36–318–01stNCAA Final Four
2014–15Florida16–178–10T–8th
See, I gave you guys something else to talk about.
 

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Below are a few of the comments I made on a restricted portion of the site 24-48 hours ago, posting here as people seem to be really delusional and in denial...

I will add that as of a week ago, I was completely convinced Fred would be here next year. Unfortunately, that deep belief has changed over the past 4-5 days based on smoke/conversations - to much heartache as a huge lifelong ISU basketball homer. I don't think anything is decided definitively one way or another in his mind, but my conviction has certainly changed.

My heart says he stays - partially because I just can't imagine how we can avoid some sort of setback with him leaving - but my head says it's about 60/40 or 70/30 that he goes this time based on the smoke billowing out behind the scenes.

There are so many reasons one could argue that he "should" stay - great team, health issues, kids, family, etc... but many of those will be constants for the next 10-15 years and I don't think they're as big of obstacles as they are just details. He already travels a ton, has year-around stress, etc - it would just be different, not necessarily harder.

It's easy to think that his health would prevent him from leaving this year more than any, but he's also a guy that loves ISU MBB as much as any of us die-hards and would want to leave it when it's at it's peak. There is no question that we have a lot of pieces in place for next year and a lot of that is "fixed" in that they're players that wouldn't look to transfer. Add in that he has TJ on the staff to act as a bridge to the next coaching staff and it makes it a lot easier. I don't think TJ is a shoe-in for the HC job, but I think he's certainly designed to serve as a bridge for continuity.

Ask me a week ago what I thought - I would have said 90% chance he stays. Ask me 3 days ago after a couple conversations, I would have said 60% chance he stays. Ask me last night after a round of text messages, I would have said 40% chance he stays. Now I'm at 30-40%.

I don't think anything is decided, but I also know that some of the people that are talking and what they're saying wouldn't be said if it wasn't a greater chance than not that he leaves.

I honestly think that TJ was brought in by Fred to 1) keep momentum while he's recovering (he knows and trusts TJ), 2) be a possible candidate if things progressed w/ the NBA, and most importantly, 3) act as a point of stability if Fred left and we brought in a new coach.

Now there are all sorts of rumors, some that you have likely heard, about what TJ may or may not have been promised, but he hasn't told me that he was promised the HC position so I don't believe it. IF Fred were to leave, his first priority would be making sure the kids he's brought in were taken care of and comfortable, and a close second would be having people he trusts be in a position to help carry the torch forward without him.

I think TJ has assurances he would be a candidate, but he also knows that he's in a win/win position regardless. Pollard loves TJ but he's not stupid and will do whatever possible to get the best coach possible.
 
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In the end, Fred will stay for two reasons:

1. Family

2. Stability - unconditional support from the university and fans vs. volatility of the NBA. Average length of the last 294 NBA coaches CAREER is 5 years.
 

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Well now I'm sold that chris, Blum, and all at fanatic are trying to soften the blow. I appreciate that and appreciate the inside knowledge you guys provide. Really wish none of this were true, but life will go on (I think)
 

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From the article...

As the kids say, “Let’s keep this 100.â€￾ Everybody is using the Hoiberg to the NBA speculation against Iowa State in the recruiting and transfer market world. And that won’t stop until Fred comes out and says something to stop the rumors or he does leave. It is reasonable to think the NBA speculation is a hindrance to Iowa State’s recruiting efforts at the moment.

IMO, this is the "elephant in the room" issue...how much damage the "Hoiberg to NBA" circus is doing to landing top recruits and transfers, especially with the fervor that the circus has taken on this year.

How effective of a weapon is this speculation against ISU? Is ISU recruiting being hurt by the circus?
 
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Well now I'm sold that chris, Blum, and all at fanatic are trying to soften the blow. I appreciate that and appreciate the inside knowledge you guys provide. Really wish none of this were true, but life will go on (I think)

Sort of looks that way after the above post. Who would've thought Paul Rhoads would outlast Fred Hoiberg.
 
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