Official 2015 Hoiberg NBA Speculation Thread

[IAStubborn]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

I've stuck to this throughout this entire Hoibull saga that if we can survive this, Fred will be here as long as he is coaching.

Does that make it true?

 

[Dingus]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Why should we hear from him, though?
He's recovering from heart surgery. It's a big moment in his daughter's life. We're asking him to comment on a job that still isn't open (even though that's a technicality). It's bad form professionally for him to comment on that position right now.

1. High school graduation party? Was anyone here really that excited about that?

2. If he wasn't interested in changing jobs, all he'd have to do is tweet 'Looking forward to winning a Big 12 title at ISU next season!' If he wanted to end speculation. You can do that from a couch, and doesn't address any other job at all. I'm not saying he should do that, but to act like he can't is silly.

The real reason he hasn't commented, I suspect, is that he's either taking the job, or considering it, so therefore there's nothing to say.

 

[NorthCyd]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

1) Fred played for the Bulls for two years, he's been there before as well.

2) Fred and Gar Forman are so close that Forman bought Fred's old house in Chicago when he went to Minnesota.

Just because you sell a guy your house doesn't mean you want to work for him. Do you have any close friends you wouldn't want to work for? I do. Plus, who wants to work for a guy named after an ugly *** fish?

 

[mattyice]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Why should we hear from him, though?
He's recovering from heart surgery. It's a big moment in his daughter's life. We're asking him to comment on a job that still isn't open (even though that's a technicality). It's bad form professionally for him to comment on that position right now.

I'm not asking him to comment on the Bulls or any currently filled NBA job....I'm asking him to comment on his CURRENT job. If for no other reason for recruiting.

 

[kingcy]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

1. High school graduation party? Was anyone here really that excited about that?

2. If he wasn't interested in changing jobs, all he'd have to do is tweet 'Looking forward to winning a Big 12 title at ISU next season!' If he wanted to end speculation. You can do that from a couch, and doesn't address any other job at all. I'm not saying he should do that, but to act like he can't is silly.

The real reason he hasn't commented, I suspect, is that he's either taking the job, or considering it, so therefore there's nothing to say.

Maybe he wants to keep all options open. Maybe he is pretty sure he wants to coach ISU next year but wants just see and listen to what other offers he gets. Maybe this is all to get more money.

 

[kingcy]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Who said anything a about the press? If people can't understand the pressure of being the saviour of ISU sports and being that face fine. I give up. I don't necessarily agree it is why he would go but It could be what keeps him here and am sure It is tough And it is an added pressure.

Because Bull fans wouldn't expect him to win NBA titles and get that program back to the top?

He is not going to leave Ames because of the fan pressure and what they expect from him. He is going to leave because he wants to coach in the NBA.

 

[jpete24]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Maybe he wants to keep all options open. Maybe he is pretty sure he wants to coach ISU next year but wants just see and listen to what other offers he gets. Maybe this is all to get more money.

I normally wouldn't think the money card would be a factor, but Pollard did bring it up during his interviews.....you may be on to something.

 

[NorthCyd]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I normally wouldn't think the money card would be a factor, but Pollard did bring it up during his interviews.....you may be on to something.

There are all sorts of reasons Fred might be holding out. In most scenarios it is in his best interest to sit tight and not say anything.

I love that most people are willing to accept that Fred is willing to pursue his self interests enough that he will leave ISU for the NBA, but won't consider that he is just holding out as a ploy to renegotiate with ISU. Maybe it isn't even his salary. Maybe it's assistant coaches salaries or recruiting budgets. Maybe he wants a pimpin dorm for his players like KU has so he doesn't have to worry about noise complaints at 3am. Even if he does want to jump, maybe he wants to see what other jobs open up. What if the Cavs job opens up? The only negative if he is planning on staying is the recruiting angle, and really that's more of an immediate impact. So we are talking about what...Max Biefeldt? There are all kinds of reasons why it is in his best interest to stay quiet and keep everyone guessing.

 

[Cpech56]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

There are all sorts of reasons Fred might be holding out. In most scenarios it is in his best interest to sit tight and not say anything.

I love that most people are willing to accept that Fred is willing to pursue his self interests enough that he will leave ISU for the NBA, but won't consider that he is just holding out as a ploy to renegotiate with ISU. Maybe it isn't even his salary. Maybe it's assistant coaches salaries or recruiting budgets. Maybe he wants a pimpin dorm for his players like KU has so he doesn't have to worry about noise complaints at 3am. Even if he does want to jump, maybe he wants to see what other jobs open up. What if the Cavs job opens up? The only negative if he is planning on staying is the recruiting angle, and really that's more of an immediate impact. So we are talking about what...Max Biefeldt? There are all kinds of reasons why it is in his best interest to stay quiet and keep everyone guessing.

This may be the best post since all of this nonsense started, thank you. There are plenty of people doing the talking for him right now.

 

[Thomasrickj]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I normally wouldn't think the money card would be a factor, but Pollard did bring it up during his interviews.....you may be on to something.

I'm guessing that if money is the issue that Pollard will be able to dish out a little extra in an attempt to get Fred to stay here. The amount of money he brings in by coaching compared to him leaving would be worth it, IMO. I guess we will find out soon.

I personally feel there's a 10% chance he leaves this year.

 

[chuckd4735]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

There are all sorts of reasons Fred might be holding out. In most scenarios it is in his best interest to sit tight and not say anything.

I love that most people are willing to accept that Fred is willing to pursue his self interests enough that he will leave ISU for the NBA, but won't consider that he is just holding out as a ploy to renegotiate with ISU. Maybe it isn't even his salary. Maybe it's assistant coaches salaries or recruiting budgets. Maybe he wants a pimpin dorm for his players like KU has so he doesn't have to worry about noise complaints at 3am. Even if he does want to jump, maybe he wants to see what other jobs open up. What if the Cavs job opens up? The only negative if he is planning on staying is the recruiting angle, and really that's more of an immediate impact. So we are talking about what...Max Biefeldt? There are all kinds of reasons why it is in his best interest to stay quiet and keep everyone guessing.

This. For the past 2 or 3 off seasons there has been fear of Hoiberg leaving, and each year it has ended with him getting a new contact.

 

[Spam]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

This. For the past 2 or 3 off seasons there has been fear of Hoiberg leaving, and each year it has ended with him getting a new contact.

I really don't think Fred is trying to renegotiate his contract this year. Unlike previous years, JP has already stated that we've already offered everything we can to Fred. And in previous years the new contract was already negotiated and signed within 2-3 weeks of the season ending.

 

[chuckd4735]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I really don't think Fred is trying to renegotiate his contract this year. Unlike previous years, JP has already stated that we've already offered everything we can to Fred. And in previous years the new contract was already negotiated and signed within 2-3 weeks of the season ending.

I have not seen where Pollard has said we have nothing more we can offer Fred, and if he has, he's a liar. Fred is the 7th highest paid coach in the Big 12, enough said. And unlike pervious years, both parties are coming off of open heart surgery, so I wouldn't let the timing deter the possibility of a new contact.

 

[Spam]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I have not seen where Pollard has said we have nothing more we can offer Fred, and if he has, he's a liar. Fred is the 7th highest paid coach in the Big 12, enough said. And unlike pervious years, both parties are coming off of open heart surgery, so I wouldn't let the timing deter the possibility of a new contact.

This was what I was talking about

"*On Hoiberg’s success since taking over at ISU and efforts to keep him… Pollard: “The first couple of years some of the concern was, ‘Well are we doing our part to pay him at the (appropriate) level?’ When we hired him we took a chance on him and we paid him accordingly for taking a chance on him. And he delivered — and has more than delivered. So we now are paying him at one of the top probably 10 or 15 coaches in college. So I don’t worry about that part anymore. It’s not like,’ Well, if he leaves he’s leaving because he didn’t feel that we did our part.’ Now it’s just strictly a decision for him and their family personally whether that’s — not what he wants to do, because he’s made that clear: That’s what he wants to do. It’s a matter of when he wants to do it.”


LINK: http://www.widerightnattylite.com/2...llard-curious-comments-on-fred-hoiberg-future

 

[CyDude16]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

1. High school graduation party? Was anyone here really that excited about that?

2. If he wasn't interested in changing jobs, all he'd have to do is tweet 'Looking forward to winning a Big 12 title at ISU next season!' If he wanted to end speculation. You can do that from a couch, and doesn't address any other job at all. I'm not saying he should do that, but to act like he can't is silly.

The real reason he hasn't commented, I suspect, is that he's either taking the job, or considering it, so therefore there's nothing to say.

His agent would not be pleased if he did #2

 

[Wesley]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

No he doesn't think that's whats being said, he's mocking anyone (as am I) that think Fred can't handle the stress of being ISU's coach.

Could he handle the stress of being the coach of the high stress media Bulls?

 

[Wesley]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I used to work at Jeffs Pizza, but I loved working their so much, that I quit to work at Black Market Pizza.

Now where do you work?

 

[chuckd4735]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

This was what I was talking about

"*On Hoiberg’s success since taking over at ISU and efforts to keep him… Pollard: “The first couple of years some of the concern was, ‘Well are we doing our part to pay him at the (appropriate) level?’ When we hired him we took a chance on him and we paid him accordingly for taking a chance on him. And he delivered — and has more than delivered. So we now are paying him at one of the top probably 10 or 15 coaches in college. So I don’t worry about that part anymore. It’s not like,’ Well, if he leaves he’s leaving because he didn’t feel that we did our part.’ Now it’s just strictly a decision for him and their family personally whether that’s — not what he wants to do, because he’s made that clear: That’s what he wants to do. It’s a matter of when he wants to do it.â€


LINK: http://www.widerightnattylite.com/2...llard-curious-comments-on-fred-hoiberg-future

I dont take that as "we cant pay him any more salary". Just like Fred would be dumb to come out and say "Ill be coaching ISU next season", Jamie would be just as dumb to say, "we could probably pay Fred more money then we currently are." Like I said, Fred is the 7th highest paid coach in the Big 12. For what he has done at ISU, he deserves more money. I don't expect him to be paid more then Self, Huggins and Smart who are all north of $3 Million, but he most definitely deserves to be right after those coaches, and easily should be ahead of Travis Ford.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I have not seen where Pollard has said we have nothing more we can offer Fred, and if he has, he's a liar. Fred is the 7th highest paid coach in the Big 12, enough said. And unlike pervious years, both parties are coming off of open heart surgery, so I wouldn't let the timing deter the possibility of a new contact.

Ya but that makes you one of the top 15 paid coaches in the entire nation. The coaches know how it works, the next contract that comes along will make Fred one of the top 2 or 3 paid coaches for about a year, then someone else gets a new contract and they move in to the top 3.

The point is, we could make Fred the top paid coach in the conference tomorrow, and for reasons completely out of JP or ISU's control he could be the 7th best paid coach again the next day. Fred is a smart dude, he's not sweating being the 7th best paid coach in the league.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

Does that make it true?

Only if it happens.