Official 2015 Hoiberg NBA Speculation Thread

[Cy$]

Re: Tom Thibodeau: Business as usual 'until they tell me' otherwise

Bulls are trying to get draft picks from Orlando and/or new Orleans. Probably why they are moving slow with this. This is why its possible hoiberg has an agreement in place but it hasn't been announced yet.

 

[CYdTracked]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

I'm a Bulls fan and I think it's funny that the Bulls think they will get compensation if they let Thibs go. It's been the worst kept secret all year that management wants him gone so any team interested in him probably will wait till he's fired because why give up any draft picks or money when you know if they really want him gone you can get him on your own terms. Thibs will have a new job pretty quick if the Bulls let him go.

I have always thought that Fred will wait on the NBA until he accomplishes some goals at ISU first and his kids are grown up. Factor in the heart surgery he just went through seems like there are a lot more reasons to stay in Ames for a while longer, the NBA will always be there when he is ready to go and I'm sure the Bulls job will eventually open up again too. NBA coaches are lucky to keep jobs more than 3 years anymore, if you don't make the playoffs or advance far enough with a good team most franchises pull the plug pretty quickly. Fred knows this from working in the front office.

There are only 3 NBA head coaches that have been with their current team longer than 5 years right now:
Rick Carlisle - Dallas (hired in 2008)
Erik Spolstra - Miami (2008)
Gregg Popovich - San Antonio (1996)

13 of the league's 30 teams head coaches were hired in 2014 or 2015 and 7 others were hired in 2013 meaning 2/3 of the current NBA head coaches have only been the head coach of their current team for 2 or less seasons. That's an eye opening stat!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Basketball_Association_head_coaches

 

[fsanford]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I won't lose respect for Fred. I would be disappointed though. Iowa State gave him an opportunity to coach at a level that he could only dream about. I am sure that it was always a dream of Fred's to coach Iowa State to a National Championship. And Iowa State does have a potential NC team in place for next year.

So it comes down to which dream does Fred want? IMO, the Chicago Bulls job is Fool's Gold. An aging injured roster with talent, with the Ghosts of Champions past overshadowing you. The Ghosts of Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan can never be erased. A Championship with this team will never be remembered like the glory days with Jackson and Jordan. And failure can lead to the Coaching Graveyard that has been the destination for previous coaches......including a very good Iowa State Coach named Tim Floyd.

IMO, there are better places to eventually land than Chicago. Thibodeau has had a pretty good record at Chicago. Look where it got him......FIRED.

If ISU did not give Fred a chance someone else would have... Steve Kerr had limited to no coaching experience, but managed to land a job. So not buying the we were the only one that would have ever gave him a chance.

Thibs got fired because he and the front office don't see eye to eye. That is common in the NBA, so I would counter by saying you need to find a front office you can work with more than anything. Unless you happen to be GM and coach.

Go into the Bulls situation now vs what Floyd went into is not even remotely close. Jordan did not like ownership and he was bigger than the Bulls organization. When the greatest player on the planet says the coaching hire is a bad one, then you are pretty much screwed. The titles were very very fresh when Floyd took over.

If a guy has location in mind and one of those open up, you do not pass on the job in hopes it will open up again someday, because you have no way of knowing when that will be.

That said, I am pretty confident Gentry will be the next Bulls coach, and the Bulls are working to get some compensation for Thibs, since he is still under contract. Other teams have to decide what they want to give.
That is the hold up. Hoiberg is not going to show his hand, because he wants to coach in the NBA someday, has friends in the Bulls organization and if the Bulls asked him to be quiet till they worked it all out, he is gonna be quiet.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

I was thinking it was more due to Chicago looking for trade partners. There's enough interest out there they might be able to get something for him.

I wonder if a team like the Pelicans could theoretically trade their current pick down for a player and a pick? So if they want Thibs it could go (keep in mind I have no idea where teams are actually picking):

Pelicans trade pick 18 to GS for pick 32 and Player A.
Bulls then let Thibs go to Pelicans for pick 32.

Pelicans come out nicely there by getting Player A even though they had to lose their draft pick and the coach they want.

But the point is, that could never happen until after the playoffs are over.

 

[Bigman38]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

I'm a Bulls fan and I think it's funny that the Bulls think they will get compensation if they let Thibs go. It's been the worst kept secret all year that management wants him gone so any team interested in him probably will wait till he's fired because why give up any draft picks or money when you know if they really want him gone you can get him on your own terms. Thibs will have a new job pretty quick if the Bulls let him go.

It doesn't matter that everyone knows Thibs isn't going to coach the Bulls next year. A trade is still possible. It's more about his new team securing him before he's a free agent. If you wait for him to get fired you could get outbid by someone who doesn't necessarily have the pieces to offer a better trade.

 

[RubyClone]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

I'm a Bulls fan and I think it's funny that the Bulls think they will get compensation if they let Thibs go. It's been the worst kept secret all year that management wants him gone so any team interested in him probably will wait till he's fired because why give up any draft picks or money when you know if they really want him gone you can get him on your own terms. Thibs will have a new job pretty quick if the Bulls let him go.

But if the Bulls cut him loose and buy out his contract, don't they still kind of own the rights to him? There's plenty of contracts that don't allow you to work with a competitor, or otherwise diminish the amount of your buyout (less other compensation type thing). I wonder if the NBA being such a limited availability of jobs, and all in direct competition with one another, is a bit more aggressive with their restrictions on moving from one job to another.

 

[fsanford]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

It doesn't matter that everyone knows Thibs isn't going to coach the Bulls next year. A trade is still possible. It's more about his new team securing him before he's a free agent. If you wait for him to get fired you could get outbid by someone who doesn't necessarily have the pieces to offer a better trade.

This.. You are trading for negotiation rights.. And I suspect several teams are all offering compensation to the Bulls at the moment.

 

[CYdTracked]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

I was thinking it was more due to Chicago looking for trade partners. There's enough interest out there they might be able to get something for him.

You can only get cash and/or draft picks when you trade a coach so I doubt this is why. The most likely destinations for Thibs would be New Orleans or Orlando and New Orleans was the #8 seed with some good talent on their roster. The waiting game is probably making sure they have someone willing to take the job if they let Thibs go because you don't fire a coach that has had the success he has without a decent option to replace him. The fact that he and management couldn't get along may scare off some good coaches too because if a good coach like Thibs who his players love to play for can't get along with management that is a big red flag to some I'm sure.

 

[isulive2train]

Re: Tom Thibodeau: Business as usual 'until they tell me' otherwise

Hoiberg thread.

 

[Wesley]

Re: Tom Thibodeau: Business as usual 'until they tell me' otherwise

Bulls are trying to get draft picks from Orlando and/or new Orleans. Probably why they are moving slow with this. This is why its possible hoiberg has an agreement in place but it hasn't been announced yet.

So the draft is their deadline to make a move?

 

[kingcy]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

If ISU cannot pay CFH above market value there is a major problem. The amount of revenue his team generates and the exposure ISU gets is very high value. The athletic Dept was able to reseat Hilton because of what CFH has done. If the school is not willing to pay CFH than what coach will they be willing to pay?

 

[VeloClone]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

It's all good

Link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcmIzoNtd8E

 

[CYdTracked]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

But if the Bulls cut him loose and buy out his contract, don't they still kind of own the rights to him? There's plenty of contracts that don't allow you to work with a competitor, or otherwise diminish the amount of your buyout (less other compensation type thing).

No, the team loses any rights they have to his employment if they fire him as they terminated his contract and owe him according to the terms of the contract. If Thibs wanted to take another job on his own while under contract then the team still has the rights to control his employment which is why they have not fired him yet. They will either have to get someone to agree to give them compensation for him or retain him as head coach because they lose all rights to him once he's fired.

 

[Wesley]

Re: WHAT DOES THIS TWEET MEAN?

*record scratch

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Just a girl thing tweet.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Agree 100%. However, maybe hes not ready to take his dream job right now. Maybe he is, but the rest of his family is not ready for him to do it yet. If that is the case, it would be in his best interest to act like he is interested in taking his dream job right now, and use that to renegotiate a new contract that pays his family more money.

See my sig

 

[kingcy]

Re: WHAT DOES THIS TWEET MEAN?

Some people look way to much into tweets.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

See my sig

link?

 

[stateofmind]

Re: WHAT DOES THIS TWEET MEAN?

Don't pee into the wind.

This is timely. I was playing golf yesterday in that awful wind and my partner, REALLY it wasn't me, had to go bad. When he walked back his front was soaking wet. And he went on and on about the wind being the reason. To me it looked like he just didn't get it out in time.

Oh, and Niang is breaking the news that CFH is just FH to us now. Not sure if is necessary, but I'm guessing Fred would've turned it down by now if he was going to. Good for him if it's done, we'll move on.

 

[CyJack13]

Re: REPORT: Alvin Gentry, not Fred Hoiberg, favorite to replace Tom Thibodeau

How about the Bulls keep Thibs to run the defense, then hire Gentry as co-head coach to run the offense? Thibs can play the Buddy Ryan role and Gentry the Mike Ditka role, it's worked in Chicago before. They could do like an odd couple reality show where Thibs hates Gentry at first but learns to respect him as the season goes, kind of Remember the Titans-ish too. I need to get in touch with Bulls management to offer up this solution.

 

[mjhavlo76]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

The buzz has been really palpable that Fred is going to Chicago within the last three hours. Stronger than it's ever been. May be imminent.